You must be kidding about Lee Sedol. Yes, he is not as dominating as before. (is it because he is weaker or because the other ones got better?) But he is still #3 in Korea having only dropped there this month, being #2 for most of the last year. (btw overtaken by Park Younghoon, who is not really a younger generation) In Korea usually the Myeongin and Kuksu are considered the most important titles. He owns one currently, dropped out in Semifinal in the other one. Looking at the last big global title(MLily Cup), he lost 2-3 in the final.
Not sure what you are asking for, but in pretty much any metric, only Park Junghwan can currently be considered stronger in Korea, and less than a handful players can be considered even with Lee Sedol. And even worldwide... Yes, there is Ke Jie. Who else? Again you won't find more than a handful Chinese players. And the performance of Japanese/Taiwanese players on international level can easily be ignored. So in the end, we have 2 candidates, who may be strength wise a better choice than Lee Sedol. But then there is of course name value, legacy etc. Lee Sedol represented and dominated the Go scene for more than a decade. And neither Ke Jie nor Park Junghwan come even close to that, even with their great performances in the last 1-3 years. There is a reason why people asked for a Jubango involving Lee Sedol, and neither of the new "kids". So he was by far the biggest fish Google could ever catch for that game, for Go insiders as well as for people outside the Go scene. 2016-01-31 21:49 GMT+01:00 Cai Gengyang <gengyang...@gmail.com>: > Hi all, > > Just to introduce myself, I am a 5 dan amateur Go player from Singapore who > has recently taken an interest in computer Go, programming and AI and a > newbie to these forums. Been playing Go for many years (perhaps 20 years or > so and represented Singapore in the past, winning 3rd place at the World > Youth Amateur Go Tournament in Hawaii and 12th place at the World Amateur Go > Tournament in Japan) though I have not competed for many years. The recent > improvement in Go AI has rekindled my interest in this ancient game and also > artificial intelligence. I am genuinely fascinated that Go AI has advanced > so far --- when I first started out, the best Go AI was 30 kyu or so and > nobody believed that they could even defeat a strong amateur Go player. Then > came programs like ZenBS and CrazyStone , which surprised me because I could > only win perhaps 50% of the time against these programs. The result of > AlphaGo has shocked me to the core --- I don't know whether to feel happy or > sad. A sudden impending sense of doom --- that mankind has been eclipsed. > Just a few points I thought to raise here ... > > > > Regarding the number of legal Go positions for a 19x19 board , it is ~2.082 > x 10^170 (from the Sensei's website) > > Number of legal positions > > One number of interest for use in calculations of the number of possible > games is the number of legal positions. An upper bound of the number of > positions on a 19x19 go board is not hard to calculate. Every intersection > can be either black, white, or empty, so the number of possible positions is > exactly 3^361, which is ~1.741 × 10^172. For this bound, symmetry is not > accounted. > > However, many of these positions contain strings of stones without liberties > and therefore are not legal. The exact number of legal positions has been > calculated for square boards up to size 19×19 by Tromp and others[1][2]. > > Some numbers: > > 9×9 board: ~1.039 × 10^38 > 13×13 board: ~3.724 × 10^79 > 17×17 board: ~1.908 × 10^137 > 19×19 board: ~2.082 × 10^170 (i.e., a 2 followed by 170 zeroes) > > For the 19×19 board, the number of legal positions is about 1.196% of the > possible positions[3]. > > > Regarding how significant the victory is , it is important to note that (no > disrespect intended) : > > 1) Fan Hui is no longer in his prime competitive Go playing games > > 2) Fan Hui is not a top tier professional Go player ( far from it ) > > 3) There was no significant monetary incentive at stake > > It will be interesting to see how the program fares against Lee Sedol ... > but then again Lee Sedol is no longer in his prime playing days , though > there is a million dollar prize incentive. > > I think what they should do is pit the program against the reigning world Go > champion when he or she is in the prime Go playing days (late teens to mid > 20's) > > > Regards, > > Cai Gengyang _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
