On Aug 12, 2008, at 5:25 AM, Don Dailey wrote:

On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 08:43 +0200, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

I don't like opening books. They are a liability when the rest of the
program is still improving so quickly.

I had one that worked effectively, but had to be redone if the program
improved substantially, so it was a program. I essentially deep- search each new position encountered. So each game played presented a new book position to learn which I did off-line. It even had variety - I didn't
want it too predictable so I deep searched N times, and used the moves
in the same ratio they were chosen.  Usually only 1 or 2 moves get
played.

This is a different kind of opening book than I'm thinking of. You are both talking about cached computation, whereas I consider an opening book as codified theory and wisdom gained over the entire history of the game (semeais and joseki). How could adding established semeai and joseki patterns (probably for early move selection and bias) to a program make it weaker? If anything, the global view of full-board MCTS has the potential to make better use of semeai and joseki patterns than the classical shallow-search programs.

Self-learned books were also abandoned in chess. Hand tuned books are labor intensive, often requiring a separate team member to create them, but the best chess programs all have them.

Ian

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