Ian Osgood wrote:
On Jul 27, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Ray Tayek wrote:
At 07:53 PM 7/27/2008, David Fotland wrote:
The traditional programs are around 10 kyu, but the new ones are 2
to 4 kyu,
at least on KGS. I've seen some handicap games against dan players
that are
consistent with these ratings.
wow. that's impressive. can one buy these or just play the on kgs?
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Leela. It is the first MC program
to be offered for sale.
http://sjeng.org/leela.html
By the end of October, we should know whether Leela is stronger than
the traditional programs that are on the market.
A further question: what features need to be added to the current MC
programs for them to compete with the weaker traditional programs
which currently dominate the computer Go market? If this market was
like the computer chess market of the 80s-90s, then Rémi, Sylvain, and
GCP would be making comfortable incomes off of their work by now.
I'm just guessing, but you would of course need to package it up real
pretty. A GUI, etc. The other outstanding issue that I can think
of is Japanese scoring. Monte Carlo programs don't really work with
Japanese scoring, but I can imagine that there are creative ways to
deal with this issue.
Along the same lines, it's probably worthwhile for a marketed program
to have a mode where it plays foolishly in order to simulate the human
behavior of fighting for nothing. This is irrational behavior that
when avoided, gets mistaken for bad play and would affect the consumers
opinion of the strength of the product.
My palm go program sometimes got complaints that went like this:
customer: The program let me win the bottom left group - could
have stopped me. It's stupid.
me: So you won the game?
customer: Well, no, but it was real close.
The customer of course believes the game really was close when it wasn't
and that the computer practically threw the game away and he should have
been able to take advantage of it.
- Don
Ian
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