i'm just saying (and perhaps i'm misunderstanding something here) that lots of playout depth, and therefore lots of simulations are required to see *any* advantage to playing out a ko.
s. On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:17 PM, ivan dubois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mogo is already very strong at endgame and certainly plays perfectly near the > end of the game. The more advanced the program, the sooner it can play > perfect endgame. > But correct ko threats playing has nothing to do with the playout part : > Since it is a strategic concept that involves global understanting, It is > handled by the UCT tree part. > > ----- Message d'origine ---- > De : steve uurtamo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > À : computer-go <computer-go@computer-go.org> > Envoyé le : Dimanche, 2 Mars 2008, 20h25mn 33s > Objet : Re: [computer-go] Re: Should 9x9 komi be 8.0 ?] > > a few subtleties -- > > it's possible for a machine to play a perfect endgame, and my > guess is that machines will play perfect endgames before people > do, although most pros are excellent at the endgame. > > counting ko threats and utilizing kos effectively is tricky in playouts -- > kos can naturally extend a playout very, very far beyond where the > actual advantage would be taken in a non-ko situation, and the likelihood > of getting this far often enough in playouts to see the advantage is going > to be difficult for machines without a lot of domain-specific knowledge. > > different humans are often good at different stages of the game, and > making up a few points in the endgame, or getting a massive lead in > the beginning of the game may be possible, convincing a computer > player of something that isn't true -- either that it's nearly guaranteed > to win, or nearly guaranteed to lose. > > all that having been said, i'm quite impressed with how well these programs > are doing. > > s. > _______________________________________________ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail > http://mail.yahoo.fr > _______________________________________________ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
