On Sat, 2006-12-23 at 20:20 +0100, Łukasz Lew wrote: > On 12/23/06, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Based on some research I've done, it does make some sense to give some > > compensation for handicap stones, because it makes it match Japanese > > and without it, the kyu system is not balanced. I have doubts that > > it's > > perfectly balanced anyway, but that's a different subject. > > > > So I think we will include this in our handicap server. I want to make > > it as unambiguous as possible. There are some ways to handle > > this: > > > > 1. The program must know how to make the compensation. > > OR > > 2. The server adds the stones to komi and the program pretends > > there is no such thing as compensation - it's just built in > > to komi. > > OR > > 3. We have a GTP command to handle it. (presumably there is no > > specific gtp command to deal with it. > > OR > > any suggestions? > > AGA rules solve the problem gracefully. > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~wjh/go/rules/AGA.concise.html > > I suggest to use them. >
Łukasz, There is nothing on that site that addresses this issue, in fact the site seems geared towards human play and not computer play. Not only that, but the rules are different than CGOS uses. In fact the rules don't even specify a standard, lot's of options like which kind of scoring system to use, etc. There is a paragraph on scoring disputes and how to handle them, but nothing that I would consider "graceful" and elegant. The problem I'm trying to address is how to communicate, or not communicate to the programs what handicap system is in place, and whether handicap stones are "compensated." I'm not trying to figure out which handicap system to use, I've already decided to go with the KGS system that Magnus is advocating. The simplest thing is to just explain it on a web page, but there is no explicit way to tell the programs that white is being compensated (or not) for the handicap stones and that bothers me. - Don > Łukasz Lew > > > > > The basic idea (which matches KGS) is that if you give a 4 stone > > handicap, white gets 4 stones of compensation, as if komi has > > increased by 4. > > > > > > > > - Don > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2006-12-23 at 09:28 +0100, Magnus Persson wrote: > > > Quoting Christian Nilsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > Yes, in chinese rules you need to compensate white for the extra area > > > > you gain from the actual stones. The handicap is only meant to be the > > > > extra strength/stability. > > > > > > > > One can of course ignore this for the server. I just wanted to make > > > > sure all programs use the same rules. I don't know what the > > > > tromp-taylor rules says about it. > > > > > > Please, do use this compensation because KGS use it (correct me if I am > > > wrong) > > > and it would be very silly to make all programs buggy on at least on > > > server. > > > The compensation is there to make japanese and chinese give the same > > > result in > > > handicap games, which is very important to make the game consistent for > > > all > > > players no matter what background they have. > > > > > > -Magnus > > > _______________________________________________ > > > computer-go mailing list > > > computer-go@computer-go.org > > > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > computer-go mailing list > > computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > > _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
