On 28 Oct 2008, at 15:18, I. Savant wrote:

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Nicko van Someren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I saw Scott's message about taking complaints to dev relations, and his comment about things being 'off topic' but my reading of those messages (linked below) is that they clearly referred to the people calling this list
a joke because it was moderated by Apple; they say nothing about the
relevance of this list to Cocoa Touch. In fact there are only 3 messages from the moderators since the new NDA terms were released and none of them
addressed this issue directly.

 A fair point. My last opinion (and they *are* opinions, nothing more
- I am not a moderator and I'm not trying to be one): I think the
intention was made pretty clear. My interpretation is that anything
iPhone-specific goes to the afore-mentioned forum. Anything that is
Cocoa-in-general is fine here, as usual. Cocoa Touch is Cocoa with
some iPhone-specific additions. Again, it's those iPhone-specific
things that Apple wants to keep "on the inside".

Without wanting to stray into meta-discussions about discussions, many people have (with varying degrees of rudeness) already pointed out that (a) forums and mailing lists are very different and serve different audiences and (b) this mailing list already is "on the inside" since it is a moderated list. I think most readers would like to see this list as an all-inclusive Cocoa list, Touch or no Touch, and I don't see any reason why it should not be inclusive according to posted the rules, but I still think it would be useful to have a clear indication from our shadowy overlords.

        Cheers,
                Nicko

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