On May 22, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Sherm Pendley wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Andy Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The vast majority of this thread, if not all of it, has been about
people struggling to understand the frameworks as they are.
We're talking subjective impressions here, so there's no wrong or
right to it, but that's not what I'm getting from this thread.
It looks to me like people are struggling to understand the
frameworks in terms of platforms with which they're already familiar.
That may be, but that is different from demanding that Apple "lower
the barriers" by changing Cocoa itself to resemble those platforms. I
keep harping on that phrase because it is specifically what I was
responding to in Jeff's post, and to some extent Graham's.
I believe that if they were truly trying to understand the
frameworks *as they are*, rather than as minor variations of themes
also found in Java, C++, .NET, etc., they'd be having far less
trouble with it.
This, I believe, is where the docs fail. There is plenty of
introductory material, but no real emphasis is put on the point that
programmers from other platforms really, really do need that
material - so those folks tend to skip it, believing that Cocoa is
as similar to Java, C++, or .NET as those are to one another. In
fact, it's very different, and the docs are weak on emphasizing that
fact.
I suspect we violently agree on the major substantive issues, if not
always on tone and on some of the side issues. Thanks for this and
your previous reply, which also made sense.
--Andy
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