Well, they are free to open source XCode and have other people help. Look at Eclipse.

You can suggest it to them, but I wouldn't hold your breath. :) Probably shouldn't open up that argument in this thread.

No ...I don't hold my breath :)

I think even for the documentation user generated content could be a good way to "spice it up". This worked very well for PHP for example. It would be valuable feedback for the tech writers. Just submitting bugs to the documentation is not the same. We are entering the age of user generated content. Let's not miss the boat here. Cocoadev is great - but too separate.

This sounds interesting, but I'm not clear on what your comment about CocoaDev means, to be honest. The problem here, of course, is that somebody has to take the initiative to get it started and nurse it through the difficult start-up times until you get critical mass.

Well, I meant that cocoadev is a separate site. It's not like user can leave code snippets and comments on the original documentation. (see the user contributes notes http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.control-structures.php ) And I doubt tech writers at Apple will check on some external site for feedback.

Not sure there is the need to nurse at all ...someone at Apple would need to implement a comment feature on their site. Once that is in place comments will trickle in.

I think face-to-face is an important part to overcome the obstacles. And this will become easier the more popular it gets.

Amen. I can't tell you how much I sometimes hate having moved away from the SF Bay Area where there are many Cocoa Programmers, and there are NSCoder nights, and CocoaHeads, and other opportunities to meet other Cocoa programmers, to a place where Cocoa is only something you drink after snowmobiling. Then I remember how much bigger my house is here and how much less I paid for it and I feel a little better :)

Hehehe ...I know what you mean. Europe is far far away from there.

cheers
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Torsten
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