I haven’t any experience with Moodys, but they have a good reputation. Oysters and Hylases are good well-built sea-kindly designs that sail well. To the list of good boats, I’d add the J/46 and the Morris 46 and 51. So many good boats to choose from. The boats I dislike are the ones Danny describes. The one thing that I would like, that my Baltic doesn’t have is a longish keel that I could let the boat settle on and dry out for bottom work rather than having to haul out at a yard. But the Baltic makes up for it by sailing well…and man, does she ever sail well! That’s also why I chose my C&C, too. I get incredible joy from a boat who sails well. Andy
Andrew Burton 26 Beacon Hill Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 > On Feb 23, 2023, at 07:50, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > > I'm not sure there is much research that went into this comment. Most of the > boats you listed have been around for decades and some are amazingly designed > and of high quality construction. I think Andy was talking more about the > triangular shaped, (in plan) modern boats that are almost catamaran-like. > These boats are, lightweight, flat bottomed boats, with a hard chine on each > side, In essence, creating 2 hulls, one for each tack. However, the > interior vary, Moody's interior are very traditional, with plenty of wood, > curved corners and plenty of hand holds. The older Hylas, oyster, Holland > boats, I'm looking at are pretty traditional. One is even designed by > Sparkman and Stevens. > > This will be our 4th sail boat, hence, our 4th shopping experience, and one > thing I can say with certainty, is there are plenty of surprises in boat > shopping. You simply can't make these sweeping generalizations with any > degree of certainty. There are some beautifully fitted out Bavaria's from > the late 90s early 2000s. The boat shows simply can't be a real gauge of the > used boat market. Hell, Catalina actually produced an amazingly well build > 38 footer that was designed by Sparkman and Stevens with plywood cored decks > and solid fiberglass hull. > > Making an argument as to why you're hanging onto your boat is great. But to > dismiss quality brans, wholesale like that, is just not helpful banter. > Thanks for the input, though. > > Danny > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Richard Bush via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Richard Bush <bushma...@aol.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 04:00:47 +0000 (UTC) > > I was pleased to read Andrew Burton's comments about the modern trendy boats > (hylas, oyster, moody, Holland, Bavaria, Dufour etc., ); when someasked him > what to avoid, he said..."... I’m just not a fan of that ilk. Plus the > interiors tend to be a bit ikea-ish with lots of sharp corners and few > handholds." > > Andy, thank you, thank you; I have long felt that way, and it is nice to hear > a person with your experience (and credentials) finally say it! > That is a major reason I have held on to my C&C 37; boats that can provide > what it provides are going to cost 10 times what I have in my boat and don't > handle as well..! > > Richard > s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; > > Richard N. Bush Law Offices > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine > Louisville, Kentucky 40220 > (502) 584-7255 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> > Sent: Wed, Feb 22, 2023 5:34 pm > Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again > > Not really. I’m just not a fan of that ilk. Plus the interiors tend to be a > bit ikea-ish with lots of sharp corners and few handholds. > > Andrew Burton > On Feb 22, 2023, at 17:32, DJ via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Andy, Would have any suggestions as to what to stay clear of? > > On Feb 22, 2023 4:21 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > Danny, I’ve delivered several modern fat-assed boats and though they tick a > lot of boxes, they do not sail well unless you’re on your ear because of all > the wetted surface. > Andy > > Andrew Burton > > On Feb 22, 2023, at 16:01, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > I've got hylas, oyster, moody, Ron Holland on my list so far. Maybe a > Bavaria, or Dufour but, those can really slam going to wind... > > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help > me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > Thanks for your help. > Stu
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