Occasionally you will get a push button that will not cooperate.  Worse case 
scenario grab the back of the switch with water pump pliers or vice grips and 
drill out the center of the switch. Start a little undersized as it is likely 
that the switch will break off.
The push button will probably be able to be ripped off the switch with pliers 
allowing you access to the center.
Good luck.
COMP1979 C&C 34Groton, CT

    On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:46:20 AM EDT, David Knecht via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:  
 
 I took the boot off and tried to loosen the collar on the outside, but no 
luck.  That is why I am not sure there isn't some hidden trick.  Sprayed it 
with PB Blaster and will try again next time I am on the boat.  It is possible 
that the PO put a different push button in, but I can't find anything like that 
one in the Cole Hersey catalog.  The other push button and the new ones all 
have boots that pop on. This one the boot seems more securely attached, which 
might be more weather resistant.  I think the outside collar actually trapped 
the rubber boot.  Dave
S/V Aries1990 C&C 34+New London, CT


On Oct 19, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Carl Freeman via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
 Hi David,
That back up nut on the backside will loosen it up if you can get at it. As an 
alternative you can cut the rubber boot off and grab the outside metal with a 
pair of vice grips or something similar. Sounds like it is no good anyway so 
tearing it up shouldn't be a problem.
Regarding different switches, one may have been replaced in the past or have a 
different amperage rating than the other.
Best,
Carl
    On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 11:30:39 AM EDT, David Knecht via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:  
 
 I spent some time yesterday replacing the original engine panel (Universal 
M4-30) buttons/switches and ran into a problem.  I had bought a new Cole Hersee 
key switch and two push button switches for the replacement.  I was able to 
replace the key switch and the glow plug button easily (only a small amount of 
blood and pain).  However, I realized that the original push button start 
switch is different from the glow plug button. The glow plug button has a 
rubber hood that can be easily removed and a knurled round collar nut on the 
outside and another nut on the inside to secure it.  The start button has a 
rubber hood that appears not designed to be removed and a rounded collar piece 
with no knurling that secures it on the outside.  I have been unable to remove 
that collar and it is not clear if it is threaded. The inside nut is different 
as well, and it is so tightly spaced to the body that I have not found a tool 
thin enough to get to it and loosen it.  Anyone have suggestions on:
1.  Why these two push button switches are different when the presumably 
perform the same type of function?2. A flat tool that can get to a narrow space 
for a large nut (something like a bicycle pedal wrench but adjustable)?
3.  How that start push button switch is supposed to come apart?
THanks- Dave
S/V Aries1990 C&C 34+New London, CT
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