Rick -- lots of very good information! My 2 cent addition to the conversation. My 81 C&C34 hasself tailing Lewmar 42s for primary. They work fine, but as I get older, it gets more difficult to drive and winch when I go out alone. I lift weights over the winter so I can still do it -- great motivator! Moral of the story -- think ahead if you intend to keep the boat past when you are about 65 and get bigger winches than you need now.
Jeff Laman 81 C&C34 Harmony Ludington, MI ________________________________ From: Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 3:10 PM To: 'Stus-List' <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net> Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 34 Winch replacement Dean, There is a Barient Winch catalog available on the L-26 website at Barient Catalog (l-36.com)<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fl-36.com%2Fbarient_catalog.php&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cd7ce8dcfd593433d8b5f08da719607a6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637947186432628229%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WbczCQUZnFaSQeMGKuypFT1pZudt8TEV8Org7Fj5v4Q%3D&reserved=0>. You might want to save a copy for future reference. Most of the winch equivalency charts I’ve bookmarked over the past 30 years are no longer active on the web, But the information in the Barient catalog gives some useful information. BTW, L-36 also has a Barient equivalent chart, but it only goes as high as the 22 standard winch, but not the 25, 27, 28, 32’s that are common on the bigger C&Cs. For a 34’ boat with approximate sail area of 470 sq ft, the catalog recommends a Barient 25 genoa sheet winch for cruisers, or a 27 for racers. As someone else has mentioned, the Barient winches used a different numbering system than is presently common. The current system is to use the power ratio of the winch in the lowest gear as a model number. So a Lewmar 42 2-speed winch has a power ration of about 42:1 in low gear. IIRC, that is calculated using a 10” winch handle. (The longer the handle, the more mechanical advantage you have. The average person can put about 50 pounds of effort on the winch handle when cranking. With a 10” handle, you get (10”- ½ the drum diameter) X 50 = inch pounds of torque to power the winch. An 8” winch handle – which I need to use because of obstructions near the primary winches – result in about 30% less input power.) According to the Barient catalog on L-36, the 25 has a power ratio of 44:1 with a 10 inch handle. So replacement winches in the new current system would be in the 44 range. The Power ratio of the 27 (recommended for racers) is 46:1, so that would be an appropriate size range if you are looking for easier tailing, or are using an 8” winch handle. BTW, the Barient catalog has a spec listed that they called the “Power Advantage Rating”. It is pretty much a measure of how many pounds of tension that the winch can put on the sheet when in low gear when cranked by an average person. For the 25, it is about 2300 pounds. The 27 is 2900. The 28 is 3450 even though the power ratio is lower than for the 27. And the 32 is 3950 pounds. For what it is worth, if you upgrade to the 28 winches mentioned by a couple of the others, a company called Winchmate offers a kit for conversion of the standard winch to self-tailing. Cost is about $500 per kit, so for about $1000 plus the cost of the 28 standard winches you can upgrade quite a bit. Probably for less than a pair of new self-tailing winches is going to cost. That is what I plan to do with the 28s and 32s on my 38. Rick Brass Imzadi C&C 38 mk2 #47 la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 #225 Washington, NC From: Dean McNeill via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 11:51 PM To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Dean McNeill <d...@deanmc.ca> Subject: Stus-List C&C 34 Winch replacement Looking to replace the original Barient 25 double speed primary winches on my 1980 C&C 34 over the off season with similar sized self-tailing ones. Anyone with a similar boat find a good replacement with same or similar mounting holes that would save me some work? Really interested in what others have done and recommend. Thanks, Dean C&C 34 BarraWind Halifax, NS, Canada
