Hi all! I’m looking at the same problem with mine, 29-1, 1978. I’m thinking it’ll be easier, less boat bucks and leave a roomier cockpit to switch to a tiller. My idler plate looked fine until I touched it, finger sunk right into this “steel” plate. Then with screwdriver and such I was able to easily crumble away probably a third of the original mass… SCARY to say the least. The paint held its shape really well! Thoughts on changing out pedestal for a tiller? I don’t have instruments on binnacle, compass is the only thing that will have to be replaced.
Cheers, Jason Shoemake 1978 C&C 29-1 Mississippi Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 22, 2021, at 6:43 AM, Blair Clark via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > > Hi there > > I performed the idler plate and sheave replacement project last year on our > 1990 C&C 34 +. We now have a stainless-steel idler plate and reconditioned > sheaves. > > The four base bolts on our model self-tap into nuts fixed into the floor of > the cockpit. I had to however cut an access hole in the liner of the aft > cabin to access the binnacle guard "feet" holders. when doing this I cut it > rectangular and then screwed the cut-out piece to a teak picture frame that i > made and then this mounts to the head liner of aft cabin to look original. > > Four critical points I learned were: > Thickness of the current aluminum idler plates stocked by Edson is much > thicker than the original. This is one reason why I went with customer > Stainless steel plate. Raising the base of the pedestal will affect how your > compass interacts with equipment on the binnacle guard. > Edson advises that original manufactures, including C&C, often modify the > idler plates when they were received from Edson. Therefore, either be > prepared to modify on site when you receive a new plate from Edson or create > an accurate plate template and send to Edson and ask them to follow the > footprint. > New sheave arms have a wider width than the original. This can cause a > problem when you are going to align the steering cables as for in my case I > could not close the angle enough with the new sheave arms to match the run of > the cables to the radial drum. This is why I had the original sheave arms > professionally inspected and reconditioned by Edson. > I would not rely on the fact that a boat was primarily used in a freshwater > environment to give me comfort when considering idler plate maintenance. The > original material was light steel and as my boat was only out of fresh water > for the last 4 years before I purchased it I believe it must have suffered > most of the plate corrosion during time in fresh water. This is a mission > critical piece of gear that should be checked periodically in any > environment. My extreme gratitude goes out to fellow lister Chuck who spurred > me to action. > I am extremely happy that I made this upgrade as I am much more confident and > before doing so did not know the risk we were running with original plate. > > Another lesson learned to consider may be that if you choose to go with the > custom stainless steel plate choice you may want to consider having a local > fabricator make the unit despite the effort to help by Edson. This is because > Edson will have to make a custom plate as well and if there are any > unexpected modifications that need to be made specific to your application > than it may be speedier to have it done close to home. > > Hope this helps. > > Blair > Coincidence C&C 34+ > > From: Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: November 20, 2021 11:17 AM > To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: John McCrea <johnmcc...@comcast.net>; Dave S <syerd...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure. > > I haven’t tackled mine, and as it’s a freshwater boat there’s no corrosion to > speak of, and it doesn’t appear to be leaking. > > I have been curious about the deck in this area. How was the deck > penetration dealt with? Is it cored in that area? Was it reinforced or > protected from water intrusion? > Thx. > > Dave 33-2 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Nov 20, 2021, at 10:08 AM, John McCrea via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >> Yes they are the four through bolts that hold the pedestal in place. I will >> contact Edson for replacements just curious if anyone else had them fail. >> Will also be resealing pedestal to stop water intrusion. Thanks. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 20, 2021, at 8:02 AM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I believe that the bolts in question are the through-the-deck bolts that >>> secure the pedestal to the deck. They are also the only aluminum bolts that >>> I know of that were once "standard" on Edson pedestal steering systems. If >>> I am wrong on the latter, I am certain that others will chime in. :) >>> Steve Thomas >>> >>> 1980 C&C36 MKI >>> >>> 1978 C&C27 MKIII >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Cc: shawngwri...@gmail.com >>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 8:42 PM >>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure. >>> >>> Can you share any photos of the bolts in question? Are these above deck, or >>> below? I'm not aware of any aluminum bolts in my pedestal, but they may >>> have been replaced with stainless steel. There is one SS round head machine >>> screw that is loose and has no material left to grab (threads stripped out) >>> on one of the aluminum pieces which fit over the SS tubing at the deck >>> level. As the pedestal is solid, I've ignored it for now. Everything below >>> deck looks good also, but it's been a year since I checked so it's on the >>> list. >>> >>> -- >>> Shawn Wright >>> shawngwri...@gmail.com >>> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 >>> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:19 PM John McCrea via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> I was aware that my bolts in my steering assembly below the pedestal were >>> failing when I noticed a gap on the bow side of the sheave assembly this >>> summer. After trying to tighten one of the aluminum bolts it crumbled. Had >>> two remaining good ones in the stern and limped the way through the >>> remainder of the season. Today loosened the steering cables to start to >>> take apart the assembly with the intent of fixing in place with new bolts. >>> Having had a similar but more catastrophic failure on our past 1989 37/40 >>> XL I can see that the assembly itself is in good shape. My question is the >>> use of the aluminum bolts. Since that is what failed should I switch to >>> stainless? May be a good question for Rob Ball but wanted to see what >>> others have used. Thanks! >>> >>> John McCrea >>> >>> Talisman >>> >>> 1979 36-1 >>> >>> Mystic, CT >>> >>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with >>> the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use >>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu >>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with >>> the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use >>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu >>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with >>> the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use >>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - >>> Stu >> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with >> the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - >> Stu > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
