Thanks Mike, The costs you mention are not a surprise. We are factoring these issues in our decision. We actually have a fleet of old boats in the family that all need various amounts of "love" every year. Presently, a Herreshoff catboat, a Hobie 16, a Triangle Class sloop my grandfather built, a Sunfish, and the O'Day 23-2.
"Raced on one from Marblehead to Halifax one year and it was very comfortable offshore" Not in the immediate plans, a more sea-kindly boat would make a coastal cruise over a week vacation up to Bar Harbor and back more of a possibility. On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:17 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Jeff > > > > I believe having run motorhomes and the like you already know about costs > but I would like to add one thing. My father having had 35+ foot > motorhomes and 36 foot sailboats (C&C of course) that he bought new in the > day always said that he put aside 10% of the purchase price of the > motorhome/boat annually for boat/motorhome expenses. > > > > 10% is a lot! The thing to remember is that an older sailboat does not > have expenses in line with the $27,000 purchase price but with those of a > brand new 40 foot boat. A new equivalent of a C&C 40 would be close to > $300,000 CAD so expenses while not necessarily 10% of that will be quite > high. So long as you are prepared for that you are in good shape. > > > > To put in perspective our 1987 33 foot boat costs me $6500/year for just > club/marina fees and insurance. That cost stays even if I never use the > boat. On a 40 foot with marina prices based on LOA and winter storage > prices based on square footage LOA x max beam the costs are considerably > more than that. Then there are the fun things that we do to 30 year old > boats. New cabin sole, upgraded electronics, replaced > sails/dodgers/biminis/cushions etc … and of course the inevitable repairs > to fix results of our stupidity that occasionally happen. > > > > We started with a 23 foot boat. It was cheap to own and very cramped > inside. > > > > We now have a lovely 33 foot boat. It costs both arms and one leg to > keep. However it is very comfortable inside and we love it > > > > Have fun. The 40 is a great boat. Raced on one from Marblehead to > Halifax one year and it was very comfortable offshore. > > > > Mike Hoyt > > Persistence > > 1987 Frers 33 #16 > > Halifax, Nova Scotia > > www.hoytsailing.com > > > > *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey > Brideau via CnC-List > *Sent:* July 20, 2020 6:38 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Jeffrey Brideau <bride...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Stus-List New-guy C&C 40 Shopping questions > > > > Allow me to first apologize for any ignorance we may suffer before I > introduce our situation. I've been sailing all sorts of small craft for 35+ > years but this will be our first adventure in something no-longer > trailerable. I and my wife are shopping for an upgrade in size from our > O'Day 23-2 and are attracted to the C&C line of boats given our budget, the > perceived quality, performance/comfort reputation, and availability in the > local market. We started eyeing a 35-3 in VT (and may still consider it) > but after looking at a few 35' boats locally we are realizing they may > still be a bit small for our rapidly growing family of four (and trucking > and bottom painting a boat from VT to NH/ME seacoast adds a lot of costs), > we have started looking at some C&C 40 boats in MA/RI area. I'm not afraid > of some small projects that can be carried out while we use it or in the > offseason but not interested in a "project boat" that would need work to > be safe before use. > > > > > https://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?slim=broker&boat_id=3558367&checked_boats=3558367&hosturl=MattapoisettYachtSales&&ybw=&units=Feet&access=Public&listing_id=81236&url= > > https://www.boattrader.com/boat/1981-c-c-tall-rig-7442829/ > > > > Now for the questions: > > > > We have scheduled the two 40's above for a visit next weekend, one we saw > in the boatyard without invitation this weekend. They are both on the hard, > and the one we briefly visited is a centerboard version. The other is a > tall-rig/deep-keel. See the photos linked. > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/7xUVbSnHMob2YmYP8 > > > > 1. On this boat, what is the drain in the keel for? Is it a bilge drain or > a centerboard trunk vent? There was something, perhaps a piece of wood, > loose inside the drain that I could move with a finger. > > 2. On cabin top starboard, there appears to be a wire cable winch that > I've not seen on other examples. Is this the centerboard pendant perhaps? > > 3. Is the weeping from the centerboard pivot access ports reasonable or > expected. It may be lubricant as the broker suggests it was somewhat > recently serviced. > > > > Notes: The "smile" needs addressing but seems dry. Depth and knot log > sensors have been painted over with antifoul despite being listed in the > description as features. Gelcoat seems good for its age. > > > > We are leaning towards the centerboard model as the Marina we are > targeting in Portland, ME has limited areas of draft to accommodate a 7.5' > keel at low tide. However, fewer moving parts is a huge advantage as is > better sailing performance. But, we might be forced into a less > desirable marina or have a low tide +/- 1hr time block for coming or going > from the marina. > > > > Last general question and ask for advice, what is the mast step situation > on either of these boats and apart from waterlogged cores in the deck and > hull, what are the critical points of interest to a new buyer that thinks > he is somewhat savvy. > > > > All polite thoughts welcomed. > > > > Best regards, > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. 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