As someone who sells Yachts for a living, painting over teak would be a show stopper and/or a cause to cut the offer significantly. If you are covering the floor you are obviously “hiding water damage” (always better to replace the floor with real or synthetics). If you are painting over cabinetry you it looks like you are covering up a serious event that was a result of flooding.
Solid woods like on our boats can & should be sanded down and re-treated. There is a (once) beautiful 38 Landfall that had such serious leaks while on the hard that it was raining below decks. Nobody will touch the boat now. When in good shape it was selling for $75k. It’s now collecting dirt and we can’t get offers for $5k for the boat. Looking like you are trying to hide something is almost as bad as letting the boat just rot. That all said, if you aren’t concerned with re-sale, do what you want to make the boat look good for your purposes. Just realize the implications. I replaced my floor and am sanding and re-finishing my wood where needed as time does take a toll and things get wet from sailing, sun, rain and crew. It is a boat after all. Neil Andersen 1982 C&C 32, FoxFire Rock Hall, MD ________________________________ From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Richard Bush via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:14:51 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Richard Bush <bushma...@aol.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting Charlie, get Dave Risch to send you the photos of paint job he did on his interior; davidrisc...@msn.com<mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com> I would do that in a heartbeat, I can't see where his value was diminished... Richard s/v Bushmark 4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: cenelson <cenel...@aol.com> Sent: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 6:37 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting Thanks for your perspectives. I admit that I had not considered that freshening up the boat as I planned would diminish the value--given the sorry state of the water stained teak my thought was that it would increase the value! My thoughts were that something needs done with the current teak in the boat--especially the main cabin where the water stains are--and that in order to do the teak with varnish, the stains and the teak really need cleaned up--far beyond just doing interior varnishing over a previously varnished teak. My teak was never varnished, only left natural with very occasional oil rubbed on--maybe twice in 25 years. Given the stains, my guess is that cleaning them up for varnish application would likely double the cost of the refresh since the surface prep would be extensive and then there are multiple varnish coats to be addressed. After likely 5+ boat bucks, I am left with a likely very pretty, shiny AND dark teak interior. I have not been to any boat shows lately, but all the ads for boats show pictures with light, airy, bright interiors. I think that might make my 1995 model look more like a 2015 or 2020 model boat down below, as opposed to a 1985, 1975 or even older boat. Of course, I could be totally wrong in this since I have only sold ONE boat in my life! Painting the faces of the teak doors (both cabin and storage), drawers, etc. and leaving the remaining teak alone appears to me to keep the cost reasonable AND add substantial brightness to the cabin. BTW, my head was finished by the factory in a similar manner--almost all the surfaces are off-white (Formica or painted wood--not sure)--only the cabinet handles and trim are teak and it still looks great. I am faced with trade-offs of cost vs. change in value (+ or -). I doubt that any varnish or paint job will add or subtract substantially to the boat value at sale time--its more a matter of "...the lesser of two weevils..." to copy from Patrick O'Bryan. If I am right or even close to it, I need to get the best refresh for the money and to me that seems like paint vs. varnish--although I still cringe a little when I think of painting over mostly solid, is seriously stained, teak! FWIW, Charlie Nelson 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb New Bern, NC -----Original Message----- From: David Risch via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: David Risch <davidrisc...@msn.com> Sent: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 4:51 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting Charlie, On my 1981 40 I painted part of my head and the countertops of the galley. They were, of all things, teak. I would not, however, go to the extreme you speak of unless you are keeping it forever...to Neals point. Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you. ________________________________ From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 2:02:50 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Neil E. Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak painting Charlie, Good luck, just realize that your boat value will be diminished. Neil 1982 C&C 32 FoxFire Rock Hall, MD Yacht Broker From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> On Behalf Of Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:24 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cenel...@aol.com Subject: Stus-List Interior teak painting Thanks to all who responded to my email regarding my interior teak water stains. It certainly would be a big job to remove them and then I would need to redo all the interior teak with a varnish, etc. The result would be spectacular (probably) but in the end I would have a pretty dark (but shiny!) cabin and be many boat bucks/hours poorer. Thus I have decided to go with painting most of the interior teak and just leaving the teak 'trim' pieces in their original condition (or doing them with Epiphanes), including the the louvers in the cabin doors and cabinet doors, etc. This would lighten up and make the cabin look a lot more modern than redoing all the teak. My 1995 36 XL/kcb has a whole bunch of teak and teak looking plywood inside!! I am thinking of some kind of semi-gloss interior paint that will stand up to inevitable water leaks with a color that is close to my Corinthian (?) counter tops. Joe Della Barba evidently used latex semi-gloss in a similar way for painting water stained teak in his boat's head with success. If anyone else who has done something similar or has considered it, I would appreciate your thoughts on my plans. My current thinking is to do the painting as planned and then decide what, if anything, to do with the remaining teak trim. Also, I may paint the interior fiberglass (cabin 'ceiling') to freshen it up some as well--probably in the same color (off-white). Thanks, Charlie Nelson Water Phantom 1995 C&C XL/kcb -----Original Message----- From: Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov<mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: cenel...@aol.com<mailto:cenel...@aol.com> <cenel...@aol.com<mailto:cenel...@aol.com>> Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2020 5:35 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak water stains I was half expecting the paint not to stick, but it did. I sanded a bit and wiped down with acetone and on it went. Latex is easy to work with as a winter project, you can leave the heat on and not poison yourself or blow yourself up. Also very easy to touch up and cheap by boat standards. You do get a “brushed” look, if you want perfect mirror gloss you probably need a yacht type enamel. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf Of Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 5:15 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: cenel...@aol.com<mailto:cenel...@aol.com> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Interior teak water stains You got me thinking that this may work for me—paint it white except for teak trim. That might eliminate the stains by painting over them and then just sand/varnish/cleanup the teak trim. Do I need any surface prep on the teak (oiled ~8+ years ago) before I paint? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com<http://mail.mobile.aol.com> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Perhaps not what you want to hear, but I used gloss white latex porch paint in the head on water stained teak and it worked great. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I www.dellabarba.com<https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=0120ba9e-5db6eb3b-012093e9-0cc47adc5e34-ab40597a733eaed3&q=1&e=a0eb7467-fbfd-4830-a935-2ada5f07ad18&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dellabarba.com%2F> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 5:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: cenel...@aol.com<mailto:cenel...@aol.com> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Interior teak water stains My interior teak has never been varnished or polyurethaned (?)--It was originally oiled and I re-oiled it once or twice many years ago. I would like to apply some Epiphanes to all of it--and there is a lot of it inside my 1995 C&C! However, much of it has 'water stains' from various leaks over the years--most of which are now sealed. My question for the list is how or whether to remove these stains--they are not like water marks left by a glass on a wooden table. They are mostly on vertical surfaces and run vertically. There are enough of them to make sanding them a formidable job so I want to be sure that sanding would be necessary. Some web videos show using heat (iron, blow dryers, etc.) to drive the remaining water out and make the stain disappear which is easy enough to try. Anyone on the list have suggestions to reduce the scale of this job--putting several coats of varnish on all of it would be a formidable job in itself--adding sanding to the surface prep, which I realize is probably the most important part of the job, could make it virtually impossible! Charlie Nelson Water Phantom 1995 C&C XL/kcb _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. 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