I agree with Josh on all points. When I bought Deja Vu' I intended to sail offshore on certain races but with most of the time local sailing & racing on Lake Ponchatrain and the Gulf Coast area. We ended up doing a lot more offshore sailing that originally planned and for the most part she proved to be more than capable to handle the rigors of open ocean sailing. One of many things about the boats performance that stood out was maintaining almost perfect balance and steering control in large following seas. Because of deep rudder? we all marveled at how much control we had at helm, boat never felt out of control. This was always helpful and especially sailing 145-155 degrees in 20' rolling seas where we didn't want to go to the bottom of a wave trough under speed not being able to pivot. Otherwise we might have renamed her "Nautilus" ;)
If I had been looking for a boat specifically to go cruising for long extended periods to far off shores I would not have chosen a C&C, not because the boat couldn't handle it but because I would want more creature comforts. Our sailing now will mostly be on Lake Lanier, but we still have Deja Vu' and all those great off shore adventures in our memories. Steve Thorne S/V Deja Vu' C&C 34/36+ Atlanta, GA On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:03 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Interesting discussion - thanks Shawn for launching it. > > Last October at Emerald Bay, Catalina Island I moored a chartered Catalina > 390 next to C&C 30 MK I hull #493, “Katherine Patricia,” hailing port > Berkeley, CA. I spoke with her owner Alexander Simpson, who is not on this > mail list as far as I know, but is on the C&C owners’ Facebook group. He > said he’d sailed her from the West Coast to Hawaii and back. We didn’t > discuss what kind of conditions he encountered. But he did say that in > preparation he’d resealed the deck / hull joint (with 5200, which made me > wonder if that’s the right material for that job). His boat was also set > up with a self-steering wind vane and an asymmetrical spinnaker. > > I’ve also seen a couple 35-40’ C&Cs in marinas at Harbor Island, San > Diego, but have no idea if or where those boats have sailed. Maybe down > Mexico way. > > As for Grenadine, the worst conditions I’ve been in were 48mph gusts at > Chatfield Reservoir. We saw it coming and doused the headsail before > getting hit, but had to motor head-to-wind into the shadow of the dam to > douse the main safely, then motored to the marina and took two tries to get > into the slip. Sea state is not that big an issue on my lake. So all that > doesn’t really apply to your question. But having said that, I chartered a > Bali 4.5 cat in the BVI a few weeks ago. We had some 25kt days, with 6’ > wind waves, and another day with a 5’ east swell, and I would have loved to > sail Grenadine down there. I’m sure she would have handled it just fine, > and loved it. Didn’t happen to see any C&Cs on that trip, and not for lack > of looking. > > Josh I’d be interested in that article you referred to, if you can find it. > > Cheers, > Randy Stafford > S/V Grenadine > C&C 30-1 #7 > Ken Caryl, CO > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > 1I saw a C&C in Uruguay. It's hailing port was in Delaware. So there is > that. > > My experience and my the reports from others is that C&Cs are generally > well built, strong boats. That being said, "Are the good blue water > boats?" I would suggest no. They typically have less tankage than other > similar sized boats. They often have fin keels that create a flat spot > forward of the keel. This can result in a pretty good pounding with the > right wave height and frequency. Most of them were catering to the > racer-cruiser an as a result tend to carry a bit more sail for the racer > but as a cruiser often had shorter than appropriate keels. > > Many people have blue water dreams and end up buying the perfect bluewater > boats. Then they have extreme difficulty untying the lines. Now they are > stuck not having fun in their local tributaries with anything less than 15 > kts of wind. I say buy the boat that fits where you are sailing now. Not > where you think you will be sailing in the future. You can always buy and > sell later. > > I have an article that may be pertinent to your concerns. If I find it > I'll forward it to you. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 11:22 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current >> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C&C offshore, and if so, >> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not >> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C&C, >> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel >> about taking it offshore? >> >> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh), >> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from >> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light >> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can >> take a beating without worrying about our safety. >> >> -- >> Shawn Wright >> shawngwri...@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. 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