Shawn, Please don't rush into any quick decision. Shopping for a boat should be a joyous adventure. You can imagine owning any boat in the world until you actually sign papers and pay money. Then you will really start to see what you have gotten yourself into and begin the process of learning your new boat and making any changes or repairs needed. My advice: don't buy a cheap "fixer upper" unless you are handy and have tons of free time. There are many fully equipped, recently upgraded boats on the market right now at sacrifice prices. A boat in the 35 foot size can be a twenty year investment so I suggest you take advantage of the present market and buy the "best equipped" and "best condition" boat and get sailing instead of fixing right away. Best of luck with your decision. Enjoy the hunt. It's the least costly part of boat ownership. I know of a couple of really sharp boats worth $100K with new engines and new electronics and good sails and upolstery asking only $45K. You could buy one of these and go sailing all season and not make a repair for five or more years. Plus, you will own instant status, exude class and style and be the envy of many others. The better boat will also make you a better sailor. Instead of fixing things you'll be making voyages and enjoying cruising adventures.
Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1990 C&C 34R > On April 5, 2019 at 6:01 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > Thanks, this is great info. I will definitely inspect the keel bolts and > keel joint if/when we get a chance to look at the boat next. Not sure if it's > still available, but I am hopeful, as it would nice to finally get a boat. > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:47 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: > > > > The C&C smile is usually a non-issue. It is nearly > always resolved by torquing the keel bolts and cosmetically repairing the > hull/keel crack. See: > > > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/smile/index.htm > > > > That's a typical C&C smile. It was fixed by torquing the bolts, > > digging out some crumbly stuff at the crack and epoxying a couple > > overlapping layers of glass over the crack. The repair shown was done in > > 1999. It has not reappeared. Here's the same boat in 2018. > > > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UzpgYV6IlfmY6YeK2k3-pcE0ZACotjpJ > > > > Torquing the bolts is much easier than finding the tools to do it. > > Most use a torque multiplier. You may be able to rent what you need. > > > > The bolts must be individually backed off and then torqued. > > Doesn't much matter if the boat is in or out of the water. > > > > The biggest issue with older C&C's is if the washers/plates under > > the keel bolts have not been replaced with stainless plates. If they are > > plain steel, they should be replaced with stainless. > > > > For most older C&C's the smile is a greatly overblown issue. > > > > Dennis C. > > Touche' 35-1 #83 > > Mandeville, LA > > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 3:05 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List < > > cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: > > > > > > > Ok, so perhaps a better question to ask - > > what is the recommended maintenance (annual re-torque? I see a torque spec > > listed on the CNCphotoalbum page but no other details), and if the C&C > > smile is found, does the keel need to be dropped to fix it? This boat will > > be pushing our budget a bit, so I want to ensure we're not going to incur a > > bunch of costs right away. > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 11:59 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List > > > < cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a way to add keel bolts with the keel in > > > > place, but C&Cs are not known for losing keels in the first place! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > Coquina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Shawn Wright via > > > > > CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After another 4 months of boat searching, I am > > > > > once again considering the 35-2 "Callisto" which began this old > > > > > thread from January. I have been thinking about it, and when I saw it > > > > > at the dock while looking at another boat (Crown 28, yes I am getting > > > > > desperate...), I realized I had forgotten how nice looking the boat > > > > > is. It still has a for sale sign, and I am waiting to hear back from > > > > > the owner. I think at 34K he was asking far too much, but at 20K I > > > > > could overlook some of the not quite up to my standards work done on > > > > > it. I will get a survey for sure if he gets back to me, and we can > > > > > agree on a price. > > > > > > > > > > Since looking at this boat, I started getting > > > > > interested in Ericsons, and really liked the idea of the encapsulated > > > > > keels on their 70s models. We almost bought a 29. But I am realizing > > > > > that my fear of keel bolts is probably unwarranted, and even Ericson > > > > > went with bolt on keels by the 80s, and none of them fell off. I hear > > > > > people talk about replacing keel bolts, but I assume they mean just > > > > > the nuts, which doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, since the > > > > > crevice corrosion is likely to a problem with the bolt/stud. Are the > > > > > bolts J bolts like concrete anchors, or just threaded rod set into > > > > > lead? I imagine replacing a J bolt would be a huge job. Is replacing > > > > > them ever actually done? Could you just drill, tap, and thread in new > > > > > stainless rod in between the original bolts for extra safety? Or am I > > > > > worrying too much about a mostly non-issue? It's just that most bolt > > > > > on keel boats I've looked at have water in the bilge meaning the > > > > > bolts/nuts will stay wet most of the time (probably mainly > > > > > rainwater/condensation I guess), so it seems like I should be > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's interesting also that after a lot of > > > > > discussion with the Ericson guys (also a great group of owners, like > > > > > this group), one of the features of the newer Ericson designs which > > > > > improves comfort is the flared bow (the 80s models), something which > > > > > the C&C 35-2 also has. Walking up to this 35-2 a few days ago just > > > > > reminded me why I was so attracted to it originally. Yes, there are a > > > > > few things I would do differently, but it's basically ready to sail, > > > > > as is. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with > > > > > your contributions. 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