On my boat, Chamamé, she just received a complete overhaul of the Edson #334 pedestal, #727 engine controls, #776 idler plate with cable replacement in May. Like Bruce, I am sailing locally but plan venture into the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean.
Bruce, your steps appear in order and the job is not difficult except for limited access. Mine was out in about two hours but the shop work seemed to take forever and reassembly took all of an afternoon. I seem to have to put things together about three times before I get it exactly right for the final assembly. Please don't hesitate to call me and talk it through. My idler plate appeared in much better condition than Bruce's but upon removal and closer inspection I found that a stainless grommet, that makes the pivot point and attaches the wheel assembly to the plate, had cracked about halfway around it's circumference. Left unchecked this likely would have resulted in a ugly failure before the next inspection. Edson balked at repairing the assembly, saying that they have never seen one returned in serviceable condition. I sent a photo that showed that it was otherwise fine condition and they said OK to return it for assessment. I attribute it's life to an excellent sealing job at the deck, preventing salt water from leaking onto the plate from above. The assembly was returned to Edson for repair and they replaced the grommet for a reasonable price. Although IMO the plate is an inferior design due to it's vulnerability to corrosion, I felt that if properly installed and sealed it would provide reliable service if inspected occasionally. I coated it with a Corroseal, a product similar to Ospho, and used copious amounts of plumber's putty to seal the pedestal at the deck joint. This approach probably saved about $350 over the cost of replacing it with the redesigned assembly. The wire rope assemblies were fabricated locally in St. Petersburg, FL by SSMR, Inc. who I can recommend without hesitation. The replacements were exact duplicates of what was removed and the price was under $100. Due to aforementioned references to loss of steering I also chose to reroute all cables through the pedestal guard tubes to eliminate the possibility of fouling the sprocket and chain. Two boats in our club recently collided after steering failure, ending the season early for them both, so I was especially sensitive to that. Hope this helps. Comments welcomed. -- Tim Rutherford 1981 C&C 36 #244 Chamamé tim.rutherford.m...@gmail.com 813 748 4888 cel/text 20180204_181613.jpg <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FpGsBXuzFcwn-SGSz4C0qbpI_lGO5YEH/view?usp=drive_web> 20180204_181555.jpg <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1369Fus8J_30TOUGHLV_yTHU4iEwjjhQ2/view?usp=drive_web> 20180204_181619.jpg <https://drive.google.com/file/d/14xOsK1c9J2Y6RU_2BAs8_fOeqVf_nxy3/view?usp=drive_web> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:18 AM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Ron, do you think the plate issue is indigenous to the 37+/40s or do > believe all boats will/should have to replace? Thanks > > Richard > s/v/ Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River (soon) > > Richard N. Bush > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 > 502-584-7255 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Ricci via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Ron Ricci <ron.ri...@1968.usna.com> > Sent: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 8:37 am > Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Wheel Idler Pulley Plate > > Bruce, > > I replaced my idler plate and generally overhauled the steering system > several years ago. The idler pulleys had almost fallen off the plate and > the steering cables actually fell off the radial wheel. I got the next to > last plate Edson had in stock and I think the last one is now gone. > > Edson told me that when the last idler was gone they could water cut new > ones as the dies were no longer available. Your plate looks OK but I think > that it like many others on 37+/40’s will need replacement. > > This may be a good time for all 37+/40 owners to inspect their plates. > Regards, > *Ron* > Ron Ricci > S/V Patriot > C&C 37+ > Bristol, RI > <ron.ri...@1968.usna.com>ron.ri...@1968.usna.com > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com?>] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Whitmore via > CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 4, 2018 3:14 PM > *To:* C&C List > *Cc:* Bruce Whitmore > *Subject:* Stus-List Edson Wheel Idler Pulley Plate > > Hello all, > > I have a 1994 C&C 37/40+ that we are slowly going through from stem to > stern to make sure that I understand the systems and that we're comfortable > that we've addressed the major, if not minor issues. Eventually we will > want to do some Caribbean cruising, but for now we're day sailing. > > > One of the issues I saw brought up was potential wear on idler pulleys and > rusting of the idler pulley plate. One of my steering cables has a couple > fine meathooks, so the cables are on the list for replacement in the very > near future (I have the cables). That got me thinking about the plate, and > I slid my cell phone in through the stern access and snapped some photos. > You can see them here: > > > > > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/6loqazy934saift/Idler%20Pulleys%20-%20Farther%20out%20view.jpg?dl=0> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/6loqazy934saift/Idler% > 20Pulleys%20-%20Farther%20out%20view.jpg?dl=0 > > > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/kss6g0pyrephdb9/Idler%20Pulleys%2C%20closeup%20aft.jpg?dl=0> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/kss6g0pyrephdb9/Idler% > 20Pulleys%2C%20closeup%20aft.jpg?dl=0 > > > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/fpsowvbmlx9u383/Idler%20Pully%20Plate%2C%20forward.jpg?dl=0> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/fpsowvbmlx9u383/Idler%20Pully% > 20Plate%2C%20forward.jpg?dl=0 > > > > It seems as though the rust is all on the surface at the moment and the > idler pulleys mount securely. > > > > Can anyone tell me how difficult and time consuming it will be to change > out the plate? If the plate only has surface corrosion, is treating it in > place with Ospho a reasonable short term solution while I am swapping out > the cables (until I can replace the plate entirely)? > > > > Can you also confirm the steps, which I presume to be as follows: > > > a). Remove the compass, disconnect compass light, attach a fish line to > the wire > > b). Remove plate that serves to attach stainless grab rail > > c). Disconnect shifter and throttle cables from levers, attach fish lines > to aid in reassembly > > d). Remove cable/chain, attach fish lines to ends of cables > e). Remove steering pedestal bolts - see here: > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/pxc37iifz7eo596/Pedestal%20Guard%20Feet.jpg?dl=0> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/pxc37iifz7eo596/Pedestal%20Guard%20Feet.jpg?dl=0 > > f). Pull pedestal loose, pulling ends of cables & wires through & label > fish lines accordingly > g). Remove idler pulleys, disassemble, check & grease > h). Remove & replace plate, hopefully with Edson supplied version, if not > have one machined from aluminum locally > i). Reassemble > > > > I understand that some folks have ordered replacement plates only to find > them to not be an exact fit (thus the comment about having one machined > locally). Can anyone confirm or deny this? > > > > Given what you can see, how emergent is this repair? > > > > Thanks for all your input! > > > Bruce C. Whitmore > 1994 C&C 37/40+ > "Astralis" > (847) 404-5092 (mobile) > bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. 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