Hi all, have not been on post for awhile. Sailed to Bermuda to meet an online date, that's another story, the man keeps his Gulfstar ketch on mooring in Cotuit MA. and since home, I've been relishing the benefits of a better sailing boat where I can make decisions (even if my C&C is only 33'). If it weren't for my input, we would have landed in Montauk coming back. Great trip tho. Bermuda has changed very little in the 20 years since my last sail there. The popular spots are more touristy but still plenty of off track good watering holes. Saw a pilot whale coming back, very close to the boat. Crown jewel of the trip. The races were good, very exciting to be so close to Oracle and that other boat. Tried to find Rick Brass, who I saw from the passage list was going, but the captain and crew were not very socialable and that's an understatement. New Englanders, I was told, have a far different attitude. They threw trash into the ocean. 😔. Even tho I won't be seeing them again, I'm glad I went and now I know and it only took 3 weeks! Americas Cup was a bucket list ✅. All is good down here in the south land, and the daily subtropical rain pattern should be letting up on a few weeks. That's all for now. As you were! 😊💪Haha! Barbara Hickson "Flight Risk" 33-1Charleston SC
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, July 30, 2017, 5:43 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Rigid boom vangs - rivets vs screws NOW feckless meanderings (Ronald B. Frerker) 2. Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery (Chris Hobson) 3. feckless meanderings - Dylan (G Collins) 4. Re: Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery (RANDY) 5. Re: feckless meanderings - Dylan (Jerome Tauber) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:46:56 +0000 (UTC) From: "Ronald B. Frerker" <rbfrer...@yahoo.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid boom vangs - rivets vs screws NOW feckless meanderings Message-ID: <834466608.2554094.1501433216...@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" "I am younger than that now." Must be a Dylan fan.Does he have any songs about sailboats? ?Anything we can adapt to old C&Cs?Finally had a day under 90 F friday and went out sailing. ?Winds at 20 with gusts as high as 28mph; used my 160% genny only and it was a great choice, although tacking took a while. ?Once through the tack, the wind just kept blowing the bow down. ?Had to gain speed and nurse it back to windward. ?Downwind was a blast!RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL From: Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid boom vangs - rivets vs screws Too funny. After my post favoring SS rivets, I get to Touch? today to see 1/4 inch Phillips machine screws on the vang bracket. :) Well, it was many years ago when I installed it; I am younger than that now.? Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2017, at 9:08 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: #yiv3482658130 #yiv3482658130 -- _filtered #yiv3482658130 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3482658130 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3482658130 {font-family:Papyrus;panose-1:3 7 5 2 6 5 2 3 2 5;} _filtered #yiv3482658130 {panose-1:3 2 4 2 4 6 7 4 6 5;}#yiv3482658130 #yiv3482658130 p.yiv3482658130MsoNormal, #yiv3482658130 li.yiv3482658130MsoNormal, #yiv3482658130 div.yiv3482658130MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv3482658130 a:link, #yiv3482658130 span.yiv3482658130MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3482658130 a:visited, #yiv3482658130 span.yiv3482658130MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3482658130 span.yiv3482658130EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv3482658130 .yiv3482658130MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv3482658130 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv3482658130 div.yiv3482658130WordSection1 {}#yiv3482658130 One thing to remember about the Garhauer vang is that the attachment to both the mast and the boom are custom made for the boat (you send them the profile of the mast and boom when you order the vang), and the plates attached to the mast and boom wrap significantly around the spars. (On my 25 about half of the boom is cradled in the attached plate. ) So the fasteners connecting the plate to the spar are under primarily shear loading, not tensile. ?For this sort of configuration, the additional cross section of the machine screw (or cap screw, if you use those) would seem the better choice. If, however, you have something like a Boomkicker, or a vang with ?generic? mounting plates that don?t curve around the spars, rivets might be a better choice. ?Rick BrassImzadi? C&C 38 mk2 #47la Belle Aurore? C&C 25 mk1 #225Washington, NC ?BTW, both have Garhauer vangs. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris Hobson s/v Going 1980 C&C 30 MK1 Hull #615 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 20:33:16 +0000 From: G Collins <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List feckless meanderings - Dylan Message-ID: <bn6pr14mb1651b7874e0b49800cfc37d3d8...@bn6pr14mb1651.namprd14.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" The song Mr. Tambourine Man does have the line "take me on a trip upon your magic swirlin' ship", and there is a C&C here with the name Magic Swirlin' Ship Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 On 2017-07-30 1:46 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List wrote: "I am younger than that now." Must be a Dylan fan. Does he have any songs about sailboats? Anything we can adapt to old C&Cs? Finally had a day under 90 F friday and went out sailing. Winds at 20 with gusts as high as 28mph; used my 160% genny only and it was a great choice, although tacking took a while. Once through the tack, the wind just kept blowing the bow down. Had to gain speed and nurse it back to windward. Downwind was a blast! Ron Wild Cheri C&C 30-1 STL ________________________________ From: Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com><mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com><mailto:capt...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid boom vangs - rivets vs screws Too funny. After my post favoring SS rivets, I get to Touch? today to see 1/4 inch Phillips machine screws on the vang bracket. :) Well, it was many years ago when I installed it; I am younger than that now. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2017, at 9:08 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: One thing to remember about the Garhauer vang is that the attachment to both the mast and the boom are custom made for the boat (you send them the profile of the mast and boom when you order the vang), and the plates attached to the mast and boom wrap significantly around the spars. (On my 25 about half of the boom is cradled in the attached plate. ) So the fasteners connecting the plate to the spar are under primarily shear loading, not tensile. For this sort of configuration, the additional cross section of the machine screw (or cap screw, if you use those) would seem the better choice. If, however, you have something like a Boomkicker, or a vang with ?generic? mounting plates that don?t curve around the spars, rivets might be a better choice. Rick Brass Imzadi C&C 38 mk2 #47 la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 #225 Washington, NC BTW, both have Garhauer vangs. _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20170730/9c90edd4/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 21:25:29 +0000 (UTC) From: RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Chris Hobson <ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery Message-ID: <401711394.13510262.1501449929044.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Chris, I just did that this year. It's straightforward. You just have to have all the supplies and tools. On my 30-1 the three-way switches for the bilge pumps (I have two) are mounted under the galley sink, through the plywood separating the starboard lazaret from the space under the galley sink. If you mount your switch there, you'll need a drill and jigsaw to cut a hole for the switch. Then you'll need some ring terminals matching the size of your battery's studs and the size of your wire. If the wiring on your switch and pump is 16-gauge like mine, it's easiest to get bulk 16-gauge wire in red and black. You'll need some 16-gauge butt connectors to connect the wires on the back of the switch to the wires on the pump and to the wire run over to the battery. And you'll need a wire cutter, wire stripper, and a crimping tool. In my case since I have two batteries and two pumps, I mounted terminal strips enclosed in junction boxes to the plywood near the batteries (port side), and near the switches (starboard side). I connected the positive studs of both batteries to one terminal strip, and the negative studs to the other. Then I did one run of red and black over to the terminal strips on the starboard side where the pump switch leads connected. And of course you'll want some cable clamps to run the wires neatly and keep them in place. You can get all the stuff you need at West Marine, though the tools are probably less expensive elsewhere. I think I bought my crimper at Harbor Freight. And a good reference on boat electrical systems is https://www.amazon.com/Caseys-Complete-Illustrated-Sailboat-Maintenance/dp/0071462848 - I recommend it. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Chris Hobson" <ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 11:23:32 AM Subject: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery Need to wire the bilge pump direct to the battery and bypass the distribution panel. Currently have to turn battery on for it to work. Simple enough, just not something I've done before. Has anyone wired this or know how to install a switch (3-way) to do so? No I'm not an electrician and yes I'm aware of the consequences of electricity. Chris Hobson s/v Going 1980 C&C 30 MK1 Hull #615 _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20170730/93a16e53/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 17:42:51 -0400 From: Jerome Tauber <jrtau...@aol.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List feckless meanderings - Dylan Message-ID: <7519d545-f9b7-4cb4-9782-9dbb2cfb2...@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Boots Of Spanish Leather WRITTEN BY: BOB DYLAN Oh, I?m sailin? away my own true love I?m sailin? away in the morning Is there something I can send you from across the sea >From the place that I?ll be landing? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 30, 2017, at 4:33 PM, G Collins via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > The song Mr. Tambourine Man does have the line "take me on a trip upon your > magic swirlin' ship", and there is a C&C here with the name Magic Swirlin' > Ship > Graham Collins > Secret Plans > C&C 35-III #11 >> On 2017-07-30 1:46 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List wrote: >> "I am younger than that now." >> >> Must be a Dylan fan. >> Does he have any songs about sailboats? Anything we can adapt to old C&Cs? >> Finally had a day under 90 F friday and went out sailing. Winds at 20 with >> gusts as high as 28mph; used my 160% genny only and it was a great choice, >> although tacking took a while. Once through the tack, the wind just kept >> blowing the bow down. Had to gain speed and nurse it back to windward. >> Downwind was a blast! >> Ron >> Wild Cheri >> C&C 30-1 >> STL >> >> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 5:57 PM >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid boom vangs - rivets vs screws >> >> Too funny. After my post favoring SS rivets, I get to Touch? today to see >> 1/4 inch Phillips machine screws on the vang bracket. :) >> >> Well, it was many years ago when I installed it; I am younger than that now. >> >> Dennis C. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 27, 2017, at 9:08 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >> >> One thing to remember about the Garhauer vang is that the attachment to both >> the mast and the boom are custom made for the boat (you send them the >> profile of the mast and boom when you order the vang), and the plates >> attached to the mast and boom wrap significantly around the spars. (On my 25 >> about half of the boom is cradled in the attached plate. ) So the fasteners >> connecting the plate to the spar are under primarily shear loading, not >> tensile. >> >> For this sort of configuration, the additional cross section of the machine >> screw (or cap screw, if you use those) would seem the better choice. If, >> however, you have something like a Boomkicker, or a vang with ?generic? >> mounting plates that don?t curve around the spars, rivets might be a better >> choice. >> >> Rick Brass >> Imzadi C&C 38 mk2 #47 >> la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 #225 >> Washington, NC >> >> BTW, both have Garhauer vangs. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish >> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20170730/da7d578f/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ CnC-List mailing list CnC-List@cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ------------------------------ End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 138, Issue 133 ******************************************
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