Thanks for the informative reply Russ, My "go fast" comments were a little tongue in cheek. My main consideration is to have a combination of sails for cruising.
>From your reply it sounds like the original yankee configuration for the foresail is the way to go. I had sort of come to that conclusion and it is good to get some affirmation. So the question for me is really just about the staysail ... In the situations where I am forced to sail close to the wind, I am thinking that I would furl the headsail away and rely on the smaller staysail which would be cut and sheeted for close-hauling. Does that sound practical? I don't really want to go back to the self-tacking, club footed staysail unless the reasons are compelling. The current staysail is furling and I like the deck space that the boom would occupy. Then what do you think about the increased sail area over the original design? Would the boat not be "un-balanced"? Overpowered? I can't base anything on performance of the current sails as they don't necessarily match the originals anyway. thanks Gary On 30 June 2017 at 06:08, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Gary, > > It's important to be really honest with yourself at this time, of sail > contemplation. > > For the question of: Do you want to sail fast? The answer is invariably: > Yes! > > But you will be lead astray if your sailmaker doesn't ask questions like, > "Will the helmsman be adjusting for changes in apparent wind?" or maybe "Do > you want the boat to be forgiving?" > Sailing fast is mostly dependant on the helmsman, for obvious reasons. So > if you or your people don't sail with eyes glued to the tell-tales then get > a soft entry jib and be faster much of the time. A fine entry is harsh sail > if you're not paying attention. > > Now be really honest... are you going to bash to weather a lot? If not > then that high clew jib is a gem. For she is mostly self-tending on the jib > lead when going from a reach to off the quarter. Just adjust the sheet, no > need to tweak the car for max performance. Same with furling. That is why > those tracks are so short.. set & forget. > Why do think the Yankee jib and stay s'l was invented? Most sailors are > inherently lazy. > Come to think of it, if you insist on sailing with that stays'l, you > should have a high clew jib and won't spend much time as close-hauled > anyhow. > > I like the main with draft forward, lose foot and an outhaul car, even for > a cruising boat. Good shape adjustment with all the strings (halyard, > outhaul, cunningham & reef) and the ability to haul that sucker flat when > you have to punch to weather just because... even with the motor on. > And it's the only way it will work if the sailmaker convinces you to sheet > the stays'l inboard and go racing. :) > (BTW, not many sailmakers can cruise.) > > Get a gennaker and sock for the light stuff. It's tons of fun and stuff it > at 10 knots as a rule, until you dare. > > Cheers, Russ > *Sweet *35 mk-1 > > > > > > At 12:09 PM 29/06/2017, you wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am in the process of acquiring a new set of sails. > > I've had North & Ullman give me quotes and they are within US$70 of each > other for all three sails - furling headsail, furling staysail and main for > their basic offers. The quoted prices are in the range of $6,600 for all > three sails. > > One of them offered an alternative at $8,200 which had "better" material > for the headsail and staysail options. > > As I am a novice sailor I need some assistance please... > > The original sail area according to Sailboatdata.com ( > http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2144) is as follows: > > Original > Main      318 ft2 / 29.5 m2 > Foresail  391 ft2 / 36.3 m2 >  > I don't have details on the size of the original Staysail. > > Here are the sail area values from the 2 vendors. > > Vendor 1 > Main      335 ft2 / 31.2 m2 > Foresail  558 ft2 / 51.8 m2 > > Vendor 2 > Main      335 ft2 / 31.1 m2 > Foresail  466 ft2 / 43.3 m2 > > Although the area of the main from both vendors is similar to the > original, the shape of the main is different to the original (not the > current). The boom is shorter and mast (P) is longer than the original. > > The original design has a VERY short foresail track which is well aft with > the resultant foresail with a high clew as can be seen from the picture at > the link. What worries me is that both vendors are offering a foresail > which is significantly larger than the original. How would this impact on > performance? Will I have the foresail partially furled most of the time? > > The original staysail was a self-tacking, club-footed jib. The proposal > from one vendors calls for a new track to be installed roughly midships and > the other believes that I can sheet from an existing padeye. Both propose > sheeting on the inside of the shrouds. > > Both, in discussion, are advocating the headsail for reaching and the > staysail for beating and heavy weather. > > I should add that I intend cruising although a little performance > certainly wouldn't go amiss :-). > > Are there any Landfall 42 owners who could share the details of their sail > configurations? > > Thanks > Gary > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > >
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