Some things to try:

1.       Run the plotter off its own battery. Little 6 ah AGM batteries are 
cheap enough if you don’t have a spare battery sitting around.

2.       Put a scope on the DC bus to see what, if any, AC/noise is on the 
line. Include an engine start with this.

3.       Disconnect the NMEA interconnection and see what happens.

4.       Check the NMEA connection for configuration. Does the plotter send and 
receive data or just send? No need to have the NMEA input line connected if 
there is no data headed that way.

5.       Put a laptop on the NMEA connection or run the diagnostic window on 
the plotter, if it has one, and read the raw NMEA stream to see if it is 
getting some odd data or any data at all if it should not be.

6.       Put ferrites on all incoming wiring.

7.       Check for ground loops and NMEA isolation*
*

This one is a bit tricky. First off, make sure the power supply and ground 
connections are at exactly the same place as your other electronics. Ground 
loops are bit complicated to explain and hard to find, but the short version is 
this step will eliminate some of them. Second is check with the manufacturer to 
see if your plotter NMEA connections are true marine standard opto-isolated. It 
is very possible to use direct wiring to NMEA data and not isolate it, my 
laptop/plotter does just that, but optical isolation prevents various stray 
voltage and ground issues from messing up the data.  Equipment is fairly 
resilient now, but back in the day an engine start could generate noise that 
would totally screw up electronics. Even now I will start an airplane with all 
radios and nav equipment off and then turn it on. I once was delivering an 
airplane that had a screwy alternator I had to switch off to use the radios and 
nav gear and then switch back on when the battery got low.

BTW – my boat is wired so the engine start battery is usually separate at 
engine start and has no effect at all on the electronics. They don’t combine 
until charging voltage is present for a few minutes. Is yours like that?

Joe

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht 
via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 15:14
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Re: Stus-List Chart plotter problem

Let me clarify a few things that might help diagnose the problem.  Previously, 
I tested the voltage at the chart plotter.  I have a solar panel that feeds the 
batteries when off the boat.  At the beginning of all these tests, the 
batteries are fully charged from the panel.  So with the batteries charged 
(12.7 v), measuring at the chart plotter power cable, I got 12.2 volts with 
battery 1 only, 12.3 volts battery 2 only and 12.3 with both on.  When I 
started the engine, I got 13.1 volts.  Note that the was chart plotter 
unplugged so I did not confirm that it would have started acting up when 
plugged in (the behavior is inconsistent).
 I am guessing that the voltage drop is expected and 12 volts is well within 
the spec of the B&G.
I am presuming this eliminates the under-voltage possibility.
I previously have tested the voltage at the batteries from the alternator but 
did not write it down because it seemed OK (about 14 volts).
I also did the AC voltage test by measuring AC at the battery terminals with 
the engine running and that was less than the 50mv that was supposed to 
indicate bad diodes.

Is it still possible it is a voltage regulator problem and how would I test?

To Gary’s message:    I still think you have a noise/grounding problem.  If 
noise gets into one of the inputs, say the NMEA, there is usually a buffer to 
handle excessive inputs.  If that buffer gets overloaded, the chart plotter 
might act goofy until the buffer gets emptied.  I would make sure you have a 
single point grounding system that all goes back to one ground point.  Make 
sure all connections are tight.

The NMEA was unplugged when it went crazy, so it is not getting in that way.  I 
guess it is still possible to have noise from the DC input?

Thanks- Dave


Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT

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