The first thing to consider is whether you will get a ratings hit. I have three
friends who have asym spinnakers added into their sail inventory. They each got
a three second hit. But, they race offshore and do some medium distance stuff
(20-80 mile races on the Bay). If the wind is right, the asym is a big help -
they fly them off the pole so can move the tack back when the wind shifts or
the course demands it.
Agreed that for buoy racing, the performance gain is nil. But, if one can
change from regular to asym at will (that is why the 3 seconds) then once in a
while a big gain can be made with an asym. And one can go back to the
symmetrical when the wind is aft.
After sailing the last four years on a J-80, I appreciate the simplicity of an
asym, but really don't like to have to sail all over the river while my
symmetrical friends are going directly to the next mark. And here in light air,
we don't get to plane often enough, period.
The boats in question are two Cal 40's and a C&C 115. The Cals rate the same as
the J-80....
My $.02
Gary Nylander
St.Michaels MD
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From: Charles Nelson via CnC-List
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Cc: Charles Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
So if one is club racing under PHRF with a racer-cruiser C&C 36 XL
(non-planing for sure!), does adding a sprit and asymmetric kite improve its
performance relative to a mast head symmetrical kite assuming no change in its
PHRF rating?
I gather from the list over the years that for round the buoy racing at least
there is no appreciable gain in performance.
I can appreciate that in distance races and perhaps triangle courses it may
provide a speed advantage at some apparent wind angles but am not convinced
that it provides an advantage for W-L courses.
What say the list?
Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb
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On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
Dennis, Pete,
Does Selden require backing plates under the deck for the ring and outer
Wichard padeye?
And how far out should it extend? I thought I needed 5 ft for my 36 footer
but the Selden guy at the boat show said 3 feet was enough. He added a longer
pole would be beneficial if I was having an oversized sail made for it, similar
to what J-boats carry. (how much do you want to spend?)
Chuck
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25:36 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
Good write up Dennis –
I installed one and sailed with it in the 2014 season. I would add a
couple items to your review;
1. Watch the diameter of sprit. If one has a roller furler, you’ll
need clearance between it and the deck
2. In a blow, there is a lot of lift on the front deck fitting.
Careful review of the deck should be done in case reinforcement is needed. I
noticed weakening in the area even with the addition of a bobstay.
Thanks,
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
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Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:25 PM
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Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today. Interesting piece of
equipment. Simple design but effective.
Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides
in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting
clips onto in the retracted or extended position. The tack line passes through
the pole exiting through each of the end fittings. The base of the ring is
offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole extends
to one side of the forestay. We had to make a StarBoard base to lift the ring
a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting. Simple install. took
about 3 hours.
Couple things to watch out for. First, the kits are offered in several
diameters. As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed
extension beyond the ring for bigger boats. Be sure to order one large enough
to get the extension you need. Second, check with your local handicap
organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the extended
dimension. Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked low to the
deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the tack cut a bit
to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side of the forestay).
The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes. However, you can install more at
different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from the
bow or measure point.
The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below. This is good for boats
with an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the
sprit.
Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different
measurements.
We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point.
That way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when going
upwind.
I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested.
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