So if one is club racing under PHRF with a racer-cruiser C&C 36 XL (non-planing 
for sure!), does adding a sprit and asymmetric kite improve its performance 
relative to a mast head symmetrical kite assuming no change in its PHRF rating?

I gather from the list over the years that for round the buoy racing at least 
there is no appreciable gain in performance.

I can appreciate that in distance races and perhaps triangle courses it may 
provide a speed advantage at some apparent wind angles but am not convinced 
that it provides an advantage for W-L courses.

What say the list?

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb





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> On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Dennis, Pete,
> Does Selden require backing plates under the deck for the ring and outer 
> Wichard padeye? 
>  
> And how far out should it extend?  I thought I needed 5 ft for my 36 footer 
> but the Selden guy at the boat show said 3 feet was enough.  He added a 
> longer pole would be beneficial if I was having an oversized sail made for 
> it, similar to what J-boats carry.   (how much do you want to spend?)
>  
> Chuck
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
> 
> From: "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: "Pete Shelquist" <pete.shelqu...@comcast.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
> 
> Good write up Dennis –
> I installed one and sailed with it in the 2014 season.  I would add a couple 
> items to your review;
> 1.       Watch the diameter of sprit.   If one has a roller furler, you’ll 
> need clearance between it and the deck
> 2.       In a blow, there is a lot of lift on the front deck fitting.  
> Careful review of the deck should be done in case reinforcement is needed.  I 
> noticed weakening in the area even with the addition of a bobstay.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:25 PM
> To: CnClist
> Cc: Dennis C.
> Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
>  
> Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today.  Interesting piece of 
> equipment.  Simple design but effective.
> 
> Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides 
> in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting 
> clips onto in the retracted or extended position.  The tack line passes 
> through the pole exiting through each of the end fittings.  The base of the 
> ring is offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole 
> extends to one side of the forestay.  We had to make a StarBoard base to lift 
> the ring a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting.  Simple install. 
>  took about 3 hours.
> 
> Couple things to watch out for.  First, the kits are offered in several 
> diameters.  As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed 
> extension beyond the ring for bigger boats.  Be sure to order one large 
> enough to get the extension you need.  Second, check with your local handicap 
> organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the 
> extended dimension.  Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked 
> low to the deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the 
> tack cut a bit to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side 
> of the forestay).
> 
> The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes.  However, you can install more at 
> different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from the 
> bow or measure point.
> 
> The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below.  This is good for boats 
> with an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the 
> sprit.
>  
> Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different 
> measurements. 
> 
> We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point.  
> That way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when going 
> upwind.
> 
> I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested.
> 
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