Probably more than you want to know about runners: Ours are a little different. No purchase tackle. We have fixed length runners attached to the upper part of the mast and adjustable checkstays that attach lower on the mast and run down to join together to a snap shackle and a single rope tail runs aft to the deck. Sounds complicated but was standard setup for bendy rigs. On other boats the rope tails are taken to separate a dedicated winches, usually at the very back of the boat. On the 1990 34R, Rob Ball ran the tails to large Shaeffer Series 10 swivel blocks attached to a heavy deck padeye thru the toerail flange just forward of the pushpit. The tails run forward to a second set of heavy blocks and up to the cabin top winches. Theses winches are accessible to the pit man or assigned crew who can stay forward of the busy cockpit area and keep weight off the stern. I've looked for 13 years and never seen this arrangement on any other boat. My boat's PO tried bungis on the backstay (like on some J-105s) to pull the slack runners there, but the boom is so long, it was not practical and the runners returned to the original arrangement.
When I single hand, I run the tails to my winches by the wheel and the winches alternate duty; the low side gets the genoa sheet and the high side gets the runner tail. I added bungi retractor cords to pull slack runners to the chainplates. (Credit to U20 website) Actual use: I view runners as a "fine tune" for the rig and use them when racing or trying to gain speed. If I am daysailing with non-racers, I leave them retracted out of the way. If the wind pipes up, I can easily tension one from the cockpit with no fuss, but the runners aren't required until the backstay is tensioned. 2500# is our max there. Boat in slip: Backstay on about 500#. Runners and checkstays on snug to prevent excessive pumping. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Muckley" <muckl...@gmail.com> To: "C&C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>, "Chuck S" <cscheaf...@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 12:10:59 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays Chuck, You mentioned a winch, which made me start questioning my setup. The wire from the mast terminates about 2-3 ft above the deck at a 4:1 fiddle block system with cam-cleat. The snap shackle on the lower fiddle block allows attachment to the toe rail in various locations. If I attach the check stays as far aft as possible on the toe rail then they interfere with the boom and main when sailing anything broader than a close reach. So i have to loosen them. Down wind enough and I have to move them forward on the rail. There is a sweet spot where they don't interfere too badly with either the 135% headsail or the main. I still have to loosen them on deep downwind runs. The 4:1 doesn't seem to be enough purchase. You also mentioned a winch? Is this the same setup you have? Thanks, Josh On Jul 31, 2015 8:03 AM, "Chuck S via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Josh, You may have fun with this? When you tighten the backstay to tighten the headstay, you should see the mast bend and the middle of the mast will move forward flattening the main. In light and moderate winds, we use the runners to pull the middle of the mast straight and the main bellys out and we surge ahead. On a reach or sailing downwind the speed increase of .5 to 1 knot can be felt by the crew. I mark the runner tail where it meets the winch so I can repeat the setting easily. Sailing upwind I have them on but need the main flatter cause the genoa is sheeted inboard and backwinding the main. Truth be told, I've also raced many times in light winds w the runners bungied to the chainplates. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: "C&C List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: "Josh Muckley" < muckl...@gmail.com > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 4:13:00 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays I don't race my 37+ so take this with a grain of salt but my check stays just seem to just get in the way. I still set them but they don't really seem to do much. I've watched for pumping but it never seems to be a problem. Weird thing is I kinda like having them. Sorta like my pinky toes, I don't know what they do, if anything, but I still like having them and chose not to remove them. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM, scott gary via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: <blockquote> Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott C&C 35/3 _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- When security matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com </blockquote>
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