Bob $309/gal (USD) at most dealers in Maine. West Marine seems to stock it. Unfortunately none of these dealers are on my way next week. By Contrast Amercoat ABC #4 I can get around $200/gal (CAD)
Unfortunately our boats are just a bit too big and too heavy for the club crane so scrubbing mid season is expensive. The Dehler DB2 Highlander is just light enough for the crane but then Dan does not have all the goodies like refrigeration and hot water ... From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:27 AM To: dwight veinot; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List bottom paints Mike: After what I heard on this list this week, when I run out of Micron 66, heaven forbid, I will use Amercoat ABC 4......and it doesn't cost as much as Micron CSC. Still gotta a year to find a new supply of 66....like they say, necessity is the ?????? Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-03-11 6:42 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List wrote: Mike If I kept my boat in the northwest Arm I would go with Bob's experience...use Micron 66 if you can get it...as you know Bob is quite meticulous about Azura and he follows manufacturer's directions well...one year he had so much growth on his prop (2 blade fixed) in late september that the boat had a hard time making headway under power...the prop was foulded extremley bad...next year Bob asked this list for advice with his prop fouling issue...I knew he had such good results with Micron 66 on Azura's bottom so I suggested that if he didn't mind having a painted black prop before launch rather than shiny bronze he could just try painting it as well with Micron 66...I believe he did paint the prop and achieved good results...something about the critters in the Northwest Arm, very prolific... and somewhat resitant to normal copper oxide toxins...Micron 66 might just have the right copper toxins and added biocide for the moment...but those critters adapt to their environment so this coming season may be different, anyway you have seen Azura with your own eyes, think you could expect more than that from any paint. Micon 66, Micron CSC, Amercoat ABC 4 or???...if you are looking for more speed, look somewhere esle for bigger gains, the performance of thse paints are quite similar...if your boat's bottom is in top notch shape go for one with multiyear ablative properties and do the job once ever 3-4 years instead of every year, like i do. The copper oxide content is primarily resposnbile for the higher cost of some antifouling paints and the better paints often weigh more per volume due to higher copper oxide content Yes I use Amercoat ABC 4 and like Mike Amirault says my boat spends the summer on a mooring right at the head of the Bay, sort of brakish water, shallow at about 12 feet and warm enough for swimming from mid june until september...Amercoat works fine for me but I apply a thin coat (about 2 liters solvent diluted before spring launch every year) so one gallon does about 2 years...no pressure wash after haulout and very little prep before application before launch...I have used Micron CSC, expensive by comparison and no noticebale difference...I use a very thin layer of black Amercoat over blue Micron CSC and no issues with adherence...I have noted that Mike's C&C 33 MKII is very slippery as well Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net<mailto:d.ve...@bellaliant.net> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Bob told me about Micron 66 repeatedly and showed me Azura bottom in December. It is how he described. I have used Micron CSC, VC Offshore and whatever came on our boat last year (similar to CSC). I would haul Nut Case at least three times per year (could use a crane so was cheap). 1st time would be mid July at a race week after in water for 1.5 months - bottom looked clean but scrubbed anyway. 2nd time Labour day weekend at beginning September when we brought the boat back to Halifax from its summer location on Northumberland Strait. There would be some slime and whatever it is that grows on the flat undersides in a star shaped pattern. Last haulout would be end of October in Halifax after sitting on a mooring in NW Arm approx. 150 feet from Bob's boat. Would be slime and also grass growing on the vertical surfaces. This mattered not weather Micron CSC or VC Offshore. Last year Persistence came with another manufacturer version of Micron CSC. Was launched in June, hauled mid July to work on Transducers, hauled Sept 8 to work on propeller shaft, relaunched Sept 19 and hauled 1st week November. Was dirty on each haulout. When I compare my experiences with Bob's on Azura with Micron 66 I cannot conceive using Micron CSC. The pain of obtaining Micron 66 has made me consider Ameron ABC #4 because a 1D35 in our area has been using for 10 years and owners say it is closest thing to Micron 66 available in Canada. They insist it is closer to Micron 66 in its properties than to Micron CSC. All of the above are racing paints and that is also a consideration even though we now sail a Winnebago Mike Persistence From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:05 AM To: mike amirault; cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List bottom paint I had no complaints using Micron CSC....used it for about 12 years....a few years back, I had the opportunity to buy a few gallons of Micron 66 for $100 per gallon. I read about its effectiveness in dealing with 'slime'.....the biocides in it I guess which are not in CSC. And 2 1/2 gallons for $250, how could I refuse. AZURA logs close to 1,000nm per season and when the boat is hauled in October, it does not need a bottom cleaning and/or pressure wash. The bottom looks pretty much the same as it did when given a light coat of 66 in the Spring. I have used 66 for 3 seasons now.....I dilute it about 10% to make rolling it on easier. I am usually applying antifouling paint around +10C and the little extra solvent makes rolling it on easier and it the paint seems to go farther. The boat could go back in the water this Spring with no attention to the bottom, however, it will get another diluted, light coat. A few other club members have witnessed the effectiveness of 66 on my boat and have switched from whatever they were using. They all get it when they drive to the USA. I asked the Binnacle here why they don't carry it......they said it too much trouble getting all the govt approvals because of the biocides in the 66. I don't race AZURA so it really doesn't matter what's on its bottom as long as it is not mussels and barnacles and other similar marine growth. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N. On 2015-03-10 10:39 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List wrote: I am in the same marina as Dwight Veniot and I did use Amercoat #4 for several years. As an antifouling agent it works very well but I found it to be too ablative for my boat which sails about 1000nm per season. After a power wash in the fall, the hull would be nearly bare. Since that time, I have switched to micron CSC which holds up much better and sometimes just needs a "brokers" touch up rather than a full coat each year. 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