We did the same when we bought our boat 1800 km away from home in Toronto in 2010.
We are in Cape Breton. We used a Halifax Broker to represent our interest and hired a surveyor in Toronto to go over the boat in detail before we purchased it. We did fly up to view the boat and do a sea trial before closing the deal. Ken H. On 28 October 2014 11:26, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I am not sure if everybody realizes but a common practice is to find > your own buyers broker to represent your interest. I did that when we > purchased Persistence because I knew and trusted him and he is right > next door. My broker contacted the listing broker and between them took > care of many details that it would be difficult for me to do since the > boat was nearly 1000km from here by road. Financially the listing > broker and buyers broker split the commission down the middle. > > I really liked this arrangement because it really helped my own > interests and in a situation such as Jon mentioned would probably have > helped him as well. > > This arrangement was great for me > > Mike > Persistence > 1987 Frers 33 > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny > Haughey via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:16 AM > To: dwight...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List survey > > Dwight said; > <the brokers don't share that feeling because he often finds too many > problems,> > > There is a good point! Ask the broker which surveyors to stay away from > and use that as your short list!! LOL > > Danny > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: dwight via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "'Hoyt, Mike'" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>, <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List survey > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:57:37 -0300 > > Not sure I agree with you there Mike, I think it depends on the > surveyor...around here if TBoats (Iain Tulloch) is your surveyor I think > he does the same detailed inspection every time...I have had him survey > Alianna twice, 5 years apart for insurance purposes and each time I was > there and saw him go over the boat with a fine tooth comb...he checks > everything, including rig, deck, hull and rudder moisture content, hull > valves, electrical wiring, fuel lines, etc. and he includes lots of > photos in the report...my insuance company, Royal Sun Alliance, likes > his work but I believe the brokers don't share that feeling because he > often finds too many problems, some of which might discourage a buyer > > Dwight Veinot > C&C 35MKII, Alianna > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, > Mike via CnC-List > Sent: October 28, 2014 9:25 AM > To: Jon Tasker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List survey > > Jon > > Was the survey done for you? Did you pay for it? > > There are two types of surveys. There is a pre-purchase survey > commissioned and paid for by the potential buyer and there is an > insurance survey commissioned and paid for by the existing owner for > insurance purposes. The buyers survey is usually more detailed and is > there to point out the potential issues as well as strengths of the > boat. An insurance survey does not always record everything to the same > level of detail and is designed to put a valuation on the boat for > insurance purposes. I have had both done. I like my insurance company > to have a very high opinion of my boat. However when buying I like to > know potential expenses I will incur in order to determine a fair price > > So back to the original question. Who paid for the survey? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jon > Tasker via CnC-List > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 10:55 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 105, Issue 76 > > I also bought my boat in Racine and got a multi-page report from the > recommended surveyor. The survey was dishonest from start to finish, had > the seller's interest in mind and future survey business. Had it been > honest, I could have gotten another $10,000 off the sell price. The > moral of the story is do your own survey. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 27, 2014, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Overpriced? (Robert Abbott) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:40:26 -0300 > > From: Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > > To: Brent Driedger <bren...@highspeedcrow.ca>, > "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" > > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > > Subject: Stus-List Overpriced? > > Message-ID: <544e676a.5000...@eastlink.ca> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > There is a buyer for everything, at the right price. > > > > When we were looking for a boat in 2005-06, there were three (3) C&C > > 32's for sale here in Halifax, N.S.......looked at them all. Looked > > at a C&C 30 MKI and Mirage 32 here as well. > > > > Ended up buying our boat from Racine Riverside Marina, Racine, > > Wisconsin.....one owner, professionally maintained, adequately > > equipped, fresh water boat. The purchase price, exchange rate and > > transportation cost to truck it here cost us approx. $8,000 less than > > what we would have paid for any of the local boats. We also got a new > > > 10' Zodiac thrown in. And I have sold 3 sails that came with the boat > > > that I will never use. > > > > I never traveled to Racine to view the boat.....paid a surveyor about > > $350 USD for a 23 page report....that was the selling point, the > survey. > > I would do that no matter where I was buying a boat. > > > > I understand many buyers would never do what we did, buy a boat unseen > > > so far away. Would I do it again, absolutely. > > > > I wish this 32 seller well.....if he gets close to his asking price, > > it bodes well for all us C&C owners. > > > > Rob Abbott > > AZURA > > C&C 32 - 84 > > Halifax, N.S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2014/10/26 10:54 PM, Brent Driedger wrote: > >> I'll chime in on this as Bowline Yachts was the broker for my boat > backwhen I bought it and I know the owner well. At first glance the > prices they ask seem high and become the frequent talk at the club but > with respect to the company's owner I'll provide a little insight to > explain thoughnot necessarily justify the prices. > >> In central Canada here there is not much option for buying used > >> sailboats. The market is not saturated by any means and the stock of > >> quality used boats available is thin. This usually means pay what the > > >> owner wants oroutsource to the south and pay for exchange, shipping, > >> border brokerage, flights to and from the location, permits and lots > >> of survey charges. When you total it all up the prices end up being > >> fairly close to what Bowline typically charges. Then add to that > >> there is the comfort level of knowing the history of the local boats, > > >> their owners and background. Furtherto that, our season is short so > >> all of these boats are out of water for 7 months of the year. The > >> boats are in fresh water the remaining 5 and onLake of the Woods > >> there's little swell to speak of even in storms. The biggest hazard > >> is grounding and unfortunately most sailboats there have touched > >> bottom. The remainder will some day. The rigs although 30 plus years > > >> old show no corrosion or acid rain pitting. Gener > > ally outside of wet decks or blisters, a 35 year old boat is in 20 > year old condition if it was decently maintained. > >> I agree that $65000 for an 84 32 is very high but the price will > appealto those who want a quick painless purchase with background > confidence of a quality fresh water boat. It may include a slip too > which at my harbour is impossible to get now. I would expect a fair bit > of negotiation will bring it closer to reality as well. > >> Cheers > >> > >> Brent Driedger > >> C&C 27v > >> Lake Winnipeg > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> While I think this appears to be a nicely equipped and well > maintainedboat, I think the owner is overly optimistic with his asking > price. We bought our boat in 2006 for half that price and it was a well > maintained,fresh water, one owner boat. > >>> > >>> Sure would like to hear any and all comments on this! > >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.bowlineyachts.ca/sailboats/1984candclegacy.html > >>> > >>> Rob Abbott > >>> AZURA > >>> C&C 32 - 84 > >>> Halifax, N.S. > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > >>> > >>> Email address: > >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go > bottom of page at: > >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CnC-List mailing list > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 105, Issue 76 > > ***************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8417 - Release Date: > 10/19/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date. > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > >
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