Back when I was a teenager, my brother and I almost always sailed our Columbia Sabre (5.5m hull made into a narrow racer/cruiser) in and out of the slip. Our auxiliary power was a temperamental 5hp British Seagull (aren't they all) that was a pain to carry up the companionway and mount on the transom. I learned early that good springlines were the key.
Chris Price Pradel 35 MkI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:26:17 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? I've always wanted to practice sailing to a dock, but I don't have a slip. I've sailed on and off of a single point mooring but not my three point mooring. The three point dictates which direction you're approaching from regardless where the wind is. Same as a slip but with a slip you can sidle up with the spring line, not so with the mooring. Quickly grabbing a stern line and throwing it on a winch is fine and all but not optimal. Optimal is bringing the boat to a stop and leisurely dealing with the lines. Not always an option depending on conditions of course. How do you stop the boat with the wind behind you? I'm eager to learn this but I'm also eager not to damage my boat on the gnarly breakwall just forward of my slot. We're finally gonna get a sail in today after work, maybe I'll try it with the motor in neutral, just in case. Main or jib? Which is more appropriate for manoeuvring and docking in tight quarters shorthanded? Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty. And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: <blockquote> Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails alone. The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail shorthanded. This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that. Marek From: dwight via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM To: 'Russ & Melody' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by “marina”. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot C&C 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Russ & Melody via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM To: Marek Dziedzic ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few ( Canada ) gees on the side). Marek From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM To: Jerome Tauber ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis , MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, " Jerome Tauber via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: I thought C&C owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. C&C 27v J&J Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) No virus found in this message. 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