I found ethanol free gas from my chain saw dealer/mechanic. He is adamant about not using ethanol gas in chain saws and weed whippers. It is a Shell station that he pointed me to
Don V34 Benjamin Islands North Channel Lake Huron > On Aug 18, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > This obviously varies from place to place, but in Canada Shell claims that > their premium (V-Power Gold) gasoline has no ethanol. I don’t think any other > vendor even claims that. E.g. Sunoco (and Petro Canada uses ethanol to boost > the octane level for their 94-octane gasoline). So that one might be great > for your turbo-charged and moded car, but not so great for the marine engine, > where the fuel stays put for a long time. > > Marek > > From: David Drake via CnC-List > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2014 7:37 PM > To: Russ & Melody ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List [Bulk] Re: Ok more atomic 4 issues...dammit! > > The importance. Of using premium fuel is that have little or no ethanol I'm > it .regular fuel has up to 10% ethanol ....some premiums have less or even > better no ethanol > > DDrake > 73 JH > C&C 26 > >> On Aug 13, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Danny, >> >> You don't need to use premium gas in a relatively low compression engine >> unless your fuel hose is not gas meth compatible (and maybe some ancient >> injection equipment as found on old VWs, not the case here!). The higher >> octane rating does not make it "better" gas but it does slow the burn rate. >> >> So, sooty plugs eh. To state the obvious: fuel too rich or more precisely >> fuel/air ratio too high since we've ruled out plug heat range, low >> compression and sticky oil wiper rings by virtue of Moyer rebuild. >> Air side: >> Is you air filter clean? engine space too tight? vent blower run continuous? >> Fuel side: >> main jet too big is already covered off by Moyer, float set too high? or >> what I believe is the culprit... float needle valve not seating correctly or >> a bad needle & seat (all it takes is a speck o' dirt there). >> What is your fuel pump pressure set at? It could be too high. >> >> Cheers, Russ >> Sweet 35-1 >> east side o' Vancounver Island >> clouds and showers on first of two weeks off :( >> >> At 08:43 AM 13/08/2014, you wrote: >>> I am using champion RC12YC and using regular unleaded gas. >>> >>> I guess if I'm to use premium, I'm going to need to lug it to the boat in 5 >>> gallon jugs... >>> >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------- >>> From: JOHN D IRVIN <john.ir...@rogers.com> >>> To: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ok more atomic 4 issues...dammit! >>> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:38:52 -0700 >>> >>> Are you using a hot enough plug and premium fuel? >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 11:33:11 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >>> >>> Alright, the saga continues. >>> >>> We went for a sea trial Sunday after the changes, i.e. Vent line cleared, >>> filters changed, clamps tightened. The engine ran great all the way to >>> Cuttyhunk. I probably ran it about 3 hours. Two of those hours I ran it a >>> little harder than I normally do after having read Don M's reasons for >>> having black sooty spark plugs. I thought my problems were solved. >>> >>> On our way home from cuttyhunk, We motored out the harbor and decided that, >>> because the wind was a little light, we would motor home to run the engine >>> some more. 50 minutes into our ride home, the same thing, only a bit >>> slower. the whole, slow, stall happened over maybe a minute or two. Some >>> sputter, then run normal, a little more sputter, then normal and then a >>> slow stall. >>> >>> We then sailed home and into the mooring field. This is actually a benefit >>> of the engine troubles, I've been a bit intimidated about sailing onto the >>> mouth of the river due to the current and very tight channel flanked by >>> shoals and some pretty ominous looking rocks. I've now had to sail into the >>> harbor twice over this last weekend. At one point we were probably doing 4 >>> or 4.5knts through the water but only 1 to 1.5knts over the ground fighting >>> that current. On one side of the boat it a big, rocky cliff and the other >>> shoal. it was a little adrenalin pumping! Anyway, the approach to our >>> mooring was dead, head to wind, along with the current in the same >>> direction, I lost forward motion under sail and started the engine. She >>> started right up and we motored onto the mooring without incident. >>> >>> So, safely moored, I pulled the vent tube, it was clear. I then went below >>> and pulled a spark plug and it was all black and sooty again after maybe 4 >>> hours running time. >>> >>> I used the Moyer rebuild kit on the carb that is on there now. I'm not sure >>> but, I think I changed the main jet to the moyer recomended one at that >>> time. I think it came with the rebuild kit. >>> >>> My earlier idling issues seemed to have been solved by swapping out the >>> carb that came with the exchange engine for the one I rebuilt off the >>> original engine and had just sitting around as a spare. I think what I >>> would like to do now is, clean up the carb that came with the exchange >>> engine. and swap them back out. I'll then replace the plugs and run it some >>> more. Unless you guys think I should maybe try another path forward. >>> >>> Danny >>> >>> >>> >>> P.S. Cuttyhunk was Amazing! >>> >>> >>> >>> Could be the carburetor. I've had this issue too many times. I chose to >>> take off the carb, break it down completely and clean it out. Moyer >>> Marine's A4 guide is very useful. >>> >>> Brian >>> s/v Rekofa The Blue Whale >>> 1979 C&C 34 >>> Baltimore, MD >>> >>> Dr. Brian C. Morrison >>> >>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 9:48 AM, "Burt Stratton via CnC-List" >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> Good question. I suppose it is possible but seems unlikely. The fuel pump >>> ought to be able to overcome that. Can you drain the trap? I would drain or >>> remove the trap and try it. Try a new P-trap designed for the purpose. >>> Might want to check the operation of your fuel pump. >>> >>> >>> I just put my boat in the water for the first time and had a similar issue. >>> 5 minutes and then stall. Starts back up after a short wait but won’t run >>> for longer than about five minutes. Sort of ran if fully choked. Turned out >>> to be a broken electrical feed to my electric fuel pump. Hard to believe >>> how long it ran without a fuel pump! I guess gravity and vacuum will do >>> part of the job, even through two filters. >>> >>> >>> Skip >>> >>> >>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny >>> Haughey via CnC-List >>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 5:38 PM >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Subject: Stus-List Ok more atomic 4 issues...dammit! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com> >>> Date: 08/09/2014 5:32 PM (GMT-05:00) >>> To: derlic...@gmail.com,mda...@darkstar.ca >>> Subject: Ok more atomic 4 issues...dammit! >>> >>> Okay so no wind today... >>> >>> >>> I pulled up to the gas dock, topped off water and fuel, loaded up and away >>> we went. Motor was running great! Fired up left dock, motored away. >>> After about an hour she seemed to be running out of gas. Stutter ed >>> and stalled. Five minutes later, after seeing sail, she started right back >>> up. We sail back to our home mooring. I pull the filter on the >>> sepertator, looked clean as the day I put it in. Then I thought, maybe the >>> vent is plugged... well, it wasn't plugged but it is routed with a trap >>> and that trap was filled with fuel. Would this have been enough to starve >>> the engine? >>> >>> >>> Danny >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From my Android phone >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >
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