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Sent from my iPad > On Jul 30, 2014, at 3:01 PM, "Stephen Thorne via CnC-List" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > > Guys, > > I need to replace on of my stanchions which got bent in a not so sexy > departure from a dock recently. Any ideas where I can source stanchions same > as my 1990 34+? > > Also I am interested in replacing the old teak grab rails with a stainless > rail and wanted to know if anyone has done this and if so where did they go > to have said rail made? > > Steve Thorne > Deja Vu > C&C 34+ >> On Jul 16, 2014, at 6:20 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: >> >> Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: keel boats (Chuck S) >> 2. Re: dual ownership? (Chuck S) >> 3. Re: bonding strap question (Chuck S) >> 4. Re: bonding strap question (Chuck S) >> 5. Re: Stanchion inserts (Chuck S) >> 6. Re: Got mildew? (Chuck S) >> 7. Solar Panels & Clear Plastic Windows (sam.c.sal...@gmail.com) >> 8. Re: Solar Panels & Clear Plastic Windows (Rich Knowles) >> 9. Re: bonding strap question (Rich Knowles) >> 10. Re: bonding strap question (Ken Heaton) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 23:28:29 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> >> To: Bev Parslow <bparslo...@yahoo.ca>, "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List keel boats >> Message-ID: >> <580001928.25379703.1405466909450.javamail.r...@comcast.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I like the boat on land to tighten the keel bolts/nuts. You are using the >> force, gravity to help compress boat and keel together that way. In the >> water, the keel weight is hanging on the bolts and gravity is working >> against you. The builder put the keel on, on land. >> >> >> >> Chuck >> Resolute >> 1990 C&C 34R >> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:42:50 PM >> Subject: Stus-List keel boats >> >> The mast is coming out so would like the keel bolts checked. Does the boat >> need to be on the hard or can I do it on the water? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140715/4cfe6df5/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 01:35:34 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> >> To: "DeYoung, Martin" <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>, "CNC boat owners, >> cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List dual ownership? >> Message-ID: >> <511723699.25432104.1405474534634.javamail.r...@comcast.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Martin, >> I always enjoy your generous and sound advice. Tell John "hello" from New >> Jersey Chuck. That daysail on Calypso was a highlight of my trip to Seattle. >> You guys were so gracious to invite me, a stranger, aboard and I've since >> taken another lister sailing w his family and just can't thank you enough >> for your hospitality. >> >> Moved the boat close to Annapolis, and better sailing, and hope to return >> the favor if either/both of you get East? >> >> BTW, Hope to take more listers sailing. Contact me if interested? >> >> Chuck >> Resolute >> 1990 C&C 34R >> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> To: "Jimmy Kelly" <kellyjimmy...@gmail.com>, "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 5:13:44 PM >> Subject: Re: Stus-List dual ownership? >> >> >> >> Calypso has been co-owned for 15 years, and we (the co-owners) had a C&C 36 >> in a partnership for 7 years before that. >> >> >> >> The partnership agreement is similar to a real estate limited partnership >> with a general partner (takes care of finances, insurance, taxes etc.) and a >> limited partner. We started at 50/50 with a mechanism to compensate (with >> ownership share) if one partner contribute more $$ over time. We have a >> partnership[p checking account with auto deposit of monthly contribution. >> >> >> >> Scheduling has rarely been an issue but we had a practice of alternating >> years for first pick of major holidays etc. Lately we have been setting up >> the race sched in January and discussing what other events/cruises may be >> interesting. Both our spouses are dis -inclined to go out with us for more >> than a day sail unless we line up extra crew to assist with the sail >> handling. >> >> >> >> We both race, splitting duties and sharing/discussion tactical decisions. >> Fortunately we have had similar ideas of budget and level of completion. We >> double-hand race from time to time and have been able to deal with "heat of >> the moment" race decisions without creating long term inter-personal issues. >> >> >> >> My best advice for boat partnerships is to pick a partner that is a good >> person first, good sailor second, ability to pay third, Next have a written >> separation agreement that makes it possible to un-wind the partnership when >> things change. >> >> >> >> Some separation clauses I have seen include the right of one partner to buy >> out the other before offering the share for sale, others with the ability of >> the remaining partner to veto a unsuitable new partner. >> >> >> >> Feel free to email questions on co-ownership experience if I did not cover >> your particular questions. >> >> >> >> Martin >> >> Calypso >> >> 1971 C&C 43 >> >> Seattle >> >> From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Jimmy Kelly via >> CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] >> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 1:19 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Stus-List dual ownership? >> >> has any one tried shared ownership of sailboat? have owned & operated my cnc >> 41 for 40 years..am finding not using enough..but do not wish to sell >> her...younger co owners as well as us in 70s...could work something out..to >> mutual benefit....boat in good shape needs very little other than >> marina&insurance costs..would this be good way for younger couple to get >> into larger boat....any ideas are welcome...boat currently west coast ... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140716/74260094/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 01:56:38 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> >> To: Burt Stratton <bstrat...@falconnect.com>, "CNC boat owners, >> cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List bonding strap question >> Message-ID: >> <1689022991.25438700.1405475798660.javamail.r...@comcast.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> FWIW, Our boat has one keel bolt washer w a big lug welded to it. It is >> under the nut on the foremost bolt under the mast step and a stranded wire >> connects the mast to this washer, so the keel is the ground for the mast. >> >> >> Chuck >> Resolute >> 1990 C&C 34R >> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> To: "Frederick G Street" <f...@postaudio.net>, "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 3:40:12 PM >> Subject: Re: Stus-List bonding strap question >> >> >> >> Hi Fred, >> >> >> >> Thanks for the response and the offer. I can deal with 4awg stranded wire if >> that is an acceptable practice. My son in law is a master electrician and >> has all the big crimpers I need. >> >> >> >> Here is the challenge and another question: Those keel bolts are really big >> (close to 1 inch diameter, I bet) and I have not been able to find >> termination hardware (rings or open rings) that would fit over them. I >> noticed on my boat that there is a smaller bolt just forward of the mast >> right in the center of the bilge, definitely directly over the front part of >> the keel that is maybe 3/8 inch to ? inch in diameter. Could this be used >> for bonding? All the other braided bonding cables go to the big keel bolts >> aft of the mast. This is bonding and lightning protection, not DC ground. >> >> >> >> Skip >> >> >> >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick >> G Street via CnC-List >> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 10:35 AM >> To: Frederick G Street; cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List bonding strap question >> >> >> >> >> Actually, there?s a reason to NOT use braid; from the ABYC bonding standard: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The common bonding conductor shall be uninsulated copper or bronze strip, >> copper tubing, bare tinned-copper wire or insulated copper wire of the >> proper gauge. Copper braid shall not be used for this purpose. >> >> (a) Common Bonding conductors fabricated from copper or bronze strip shall >> have a minimum thickness of 1/32 inch and be no less than 1/2 inch in width. >> >> (b) Wire, where used as the common bonding conductor, shall be at least no. >> 8 AWG. >> >> Note: These requirements are based on both physical strength and the ability >> to make alld maintain low-resistance connections, as well as current >> ratings. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So 8AWG would be okay for bonding; UNLESS it?s part of a lightning >> protection system. Then 4AWG is recommended. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 13, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Skip ? there?s no reason to use braid over the usual insulated large-gauge >> stranded cable. I?ve got all crimp terminals from 8AWG to 4/0, in terminal >> sizes from #10 to 3/8?, as well as the proper compound crimper needed to do >> those large lugs; if you?d like, I could do up a heavy grounding wire for >> you. 4AWG green cable should be okay for the mast; I may actually have some >> of that around, depending on the length you need. And for the engine, if >> it?s just bonding (NOT the main DC system ground), 4AWG should be okay >> there, too. If you need a main DC ground, I?d probably go bigger than 4AWG; >> maybe 2/0 to account for engine cranking current. >> >> >> >> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 13, 2014, at 7:52 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I am in need of a bonding conductor for both my engine block and mast. >> Engine block strap is corroded to the point of dust. Mast strap is missing. >> >> >> >> >> >> The boat contains braided tinned copper straps with nice big ring ends to >> fit over the keel bolts. I have been able to find braided flat straps but no >> termination hardware. Does anyone here have experience with that? I have >> lots of experience terminating standard stranded wire but never braided >> straps. Is there a source for purchasing pre-terminated straps of varying >> length? >> >> >> >> >> >> Skip >> >> >> 1974 C&C 33 ? ton >> >> >> Portsmouth, RI >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140716/aff27b0b/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 01:58:19 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> >> To: Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca>, "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List bonding strap question >> Message-ID: >> <1487474968.25439184.1405475899582.javamail.r...@comcast.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Silk ties may be better? >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> To: "Frederick G Street" <f...@postaudio.net>, "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 11:25:54 AM >> Subject: Re: Stus-List bonding strap question >> >> Leather works well for bondage. >> >> Rich >> >> On Jul 13, 2014, at 11:34, Frederick G Street via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Actually, there?s a reason to NOT use braid; from the ABYC bonding standard: >> >> >> <blockquote> >> The common bonding conductor shall be uninsulated copper or bronze strip, >> copper tubing, bare tinned-copper wire or insulated copper wire of the >> proper gauge. Copper braid shall not be used for this purpose. >> >> (a) Common Bonding conductors fabricated from copper or bronze strip shall >> have a minimum thickness of 1/32 inch and be no less than 1/2 inch in width. >> >> (b) Wire, where used as the common bonding conductor, shall be at least no. >> 8 AWG. >> >> Note: These requirements are based on both physical strength and the ability >> to make alld maintain low-resistance connections, as well as current >> ratings. >> >> >> >> >> So 8AWG would be okay for bonding; UNLESS it?s part of a lightning >> protection system. Then 4AWG is recommended. >> >> >> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI >> >> On Jul 13, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: >> >> >> <blockquote> >> >> Skip ? there?s no reason to use braid over the usual insulated large-gauge >> stranded cable. I?ve got all crimp terminals from 8AWG to 4/0, in terminal >> sizes from #10 to 3/8?, as well as the proper compound crimper needed to do >> those large lugs; if you?d like, I could do up a heavy grounding wire for >> you. 4AWG green cable should be okay for the mast; I may actually have some >> of that around, depending on the length you need. And for the engine, if >> it?s just bonding (NOT the main DC system ground), 4AWG should be okay >> there, too. If you need a main DC ground, I?d probably go bigger than 4AWG; >> maybe 2/0 to account for engine cranking current. >> >> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI >> >> On Jul 13, 2014, at 7:52 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: >> >> >> <blockquote> >> >> I am in need of a bonding conductor for both my engine block and mast. >> Engine block strap is corroded to the point of dust. Mast strap is missing. >> The boat contains braided tinned copper straps with nice big ring ends to >> fit over the keel bolts. I have been able to find braided flat straps but no >> termination hardware. Does anyone here have experience with that? I have >> lots of experience terminating standard stranded wire but never braided >> straps. Is there a source for purchasing pre-terminated straps of varying >> length? >> Skip >> 1974 C&C 33 ? ton >> Portsmouth, RI >> >> </blockquote> >> >> >> </blockquote> >> >> >> </blockquote> >> >> <blockquote> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> </blockquote> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140716/6a2ffca1/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 02:06:32 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> >> To: "Ronald B. Frerker" <rbfrer...@yahoo.com>, "CNC boat owners, >> cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stanchion inserts >> Message-ID: >> <1101097076.25442008.1405476392938.javamail.r...@comcast.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I have Amsteel and don't see abrasion from stanchions. It's very tough >> stuff. UVs seen to be the real enemy, and they can be removed for winter >> storage very easily. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> To: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>, "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:41:05 PM >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stanchion inserts >> >> How about those heat shrink tubes over the line at the stanchions? >> Ron >> Wild Cheri >> C&C 30-1 >> STL >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Sat, 7/12/14, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Subject: Stus-List Stanchion inserts >> To: "CnClist" <CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >> Date: Saturday, July 12, 2014, 12:59 PM >> >> Speaking of making sure the holes >> in the stanchions are smooth so the lifelines don't get >> chafed, anybody know where to get those little plastic >> inserts or come up with a good solution for this? Like >> flared SS tubing, etc.? >> >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- >> go bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140716/3f656fae/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 02:13:02 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> >> To: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>, "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got mildew? >> Message-ID: >> <1819077115.25444123.1405476782334.javamail.r...@comcast.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Good to know. I found Tilex sprayed on a sponge works very well to remove >> black spots. Lightly spray area afterwards w Tilex and let dry to protect >> for long lerm. >> >> Chuck >> Resolute >> 1990 C&C 34R >> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 4:43:01 PM >> Subject: Stus-List Got mildew? >> >> I have a Nicro solar vent in the head. The deck around the vent is prone to >> mildew. Only place on the boat where mildew seems to thrive. >> >> I usually scrub it with Soft Scrub with bleach. Does the job but I didn't >> like the abrasion on the nonskid gelcoat. I've also used Roll Off and other >> marine cleaners. >> >> Well, today I tried Clorox Scrubbing Bubbles Foaming Bleach bathroom cleaner >> on it. All I can say is WOW!! Simply squirted it on, waited 5-10 minutes and >> then thoroughly washed it off. Mildew POOF! GONE! Deck is white. >> >> Probably need to make sure the stuff doesn't get on the painted topsides. >> Since it foams, it doesn't move too much but it sure did the job. >> >> Must have an activator in it similar to Jomax. Jomax is an activator for >> bleach used to clean houses. >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140716/b877a1c1/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 21:47:46 -0600 >> From: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com >> To: CnC <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Stus-List Solar Panels & Clear Plastic Windows >> Message-ID: <20140716034746.6000784.41820.20...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140715/7a8dd57d/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 02:16:01 -0300 >> From: Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca> >> To: "sam.c.sal...@gmail.com" <sam.c.sal...@gmail.com>, >> "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Solar Panels & Clear Plastic Windows >> Message-ID: <21de3cb7-de6a-495a-a0b0-1ef6ff57e...@sailpower.ca> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Suggest taking a piece of the material you plan on using for the window and >> putting it over the panel to see the effect. There are many different kinds >> of plastic and their effect on light transmission can vary. A practical test >> is the best way to go methinks. >> >> Rich >> >>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 0:47, Sam Salter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> ?Okay here's the question - >>> >>> Will a solar panel work under a clear, flexible plastic window. The sort >>> sewn into a Sunbrella dodger. >>> >>> Customer wants a companionway cover but his solar panel is mounted ?on top >>> of the top slider. Thought I could sew in a window if it would work. >>> >>> sam :-) >>> C&C 26 Liquorice >>> Ghost Lake Alberta >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140716/b0ea249c/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 06:49:17 -0300 >> From: Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca> >> To: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> >> Cc: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List bonding strap question >> Message-ID: <26e207ec-30bf-4502-a904-ac291ab4b...@sailpower.ca> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> The foredeck cow would approve. The idea of leather bothers her. >> >> Rich >> >>> On Jul 15, 2014, at 22:58, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> Silk ties may be better? >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> To: "Frederick G Street" <f...@postaudio.net>, "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 11:25:54 AM >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List bonding strap question >>> >>> Leather works well for bondage. >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> On Jul 13, 2014, at 11:34, Frederick G Street via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> Actually, there?s a reason to NOT use braid; from the ABYC bonding standard: >>> >>> The common bonding conductor shall be uninsulated copper or bronze strip, >>> copper tubing, bare tinned-copper wire or insulated copper wire of the >>> proper gauge. Copper braid shall not be used for this purpose. >>> >>> (a) Common Bonding conductors fabricated from copper or bronze strip shall >>> have a minimum thickness of 1/32 inch and be no less than 1/2 inch in width. >>> >>> (b) Wire, where used as the common bonding conductor, shall be at least no. >>> 8 AWG. >>> >>> Note: These requirements are based on both physical strength and the >>> ability to make alld maintain low-resistance connections, as well as >>> current ratings. >>> >>> So 8AWG would be okay for bonding; UNLESS it?s part of a lightning >>> protection system. Then 4AWG is recommended. >>> >>> >>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI >>> >>> On Jul 13, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> Skip ? there?s no reason to use braid over the usual insulated large-gauge >>> stranded cable. I?ve got all crimp terminals from 8AWG to 4/0, in terminal >>> sizes from #10 to 3/8?, as well as the proper compound crimper needed to do >>> those large lugs; if you?d like, I could do up a heavy grounding wire for >>> you. 4AWG green cable should be okay for the mast; I may actually have >>> some of that around, depending on the length you need. And for the engine, >>> if it?s just bonding (NOT the main DC system ground), 4AWG should be okay >>> there, too. If you need a main DC ground, I?d probably go bigger than >>> 4AWG; maybe 2/0 to account for engine cranking current. >>> >>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI >>> >>> On Jul 13, 2014, at 7:52 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> I am in need of a bonding conductor for both my engine block and mast. >>> Engine block strap is corroded to the point of dust. Mast strap is missing. >>> >>> The boat contains braided tinned copper straps with nice big ring ends to >>> fit over the keel bolts. I have been able to find braided flat straps but >>> no termination hardware. Does anyone here have experience with that? I have >>> lots of experience terminating standard stranded wire but never braided >>> straps. Is there a source for purchasing pre-terminated straps of varying >>> length? >>> >>> Skip >>> 1974 C&C 33 ? ton >>> Portsmouth, RI >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140716/8a55ef6b/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 07:19:39 -0300 >> From: Ken Heaton <kenhea...@gmail.com> >> To: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net>, cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List bonding strap question >> Message-ID: >> <CAAbfP6R00BN0QcVYYU_WycCtDzK=dYVUAJV-K=gbqiaz5eq...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Ours is done the same way. >> >> "Our boat has one keel bolt washer w a big lug welded to it. It is under >> the nut on the foremost bolt under the mast step and a stranded wire >> connects the mast to this washer, so the keel is the ground for the mast." >> >> Ken H. >> C&C 37 XL Salazar >> 1990, Hull #67 >> Cape Breton Island >> >> >>> On 15 July 2014 22:56, Chuck S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> FWIW, Our boat has one keel bolt washer w a big lug welded to it. It is >>> under the nut on the foremost bolt under the mast step and a stranded wire >>> connects the mast to this washer, so the keel is the ground for the mast. >>> >>> >>> Chuck >>> Resolute >>> 1990 C&C 34R >>> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> *To: *"Frederick G Street" <f...@postaudio.net>, "CNC boat owners, >>> cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 13, 2014 3:40:12 PM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List bonding strap question >>> >>> Hi Fred, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the response and the offer. I can deal with 4awg stranded wire >>> if that is an acceptable practice. My son in law is a master electrician >>> and has all the big crimpers I need. >>> >>> >>> >>> Here is the challenge and another question: Those keel bolts are really >>> big (close to 1 inch diameter, I bet) and I have not been able to find >>> termination hardware (rings or open rings) that would fit over them. I >>> noticed on my boat that there is a smaller bolt just forward of the mast >>> right in the center of the bilge, definitely directly over the front part >>> of the keel that is maybe 3/8 inch to ? inch in diameter. Could this be >>> used for bonding? All the other braided bonding cables go to the big keel >>> bolts aft of the mast. This is bonding and lightning protection, not DC >>> ground. >>> >>> >>> >>> Skip >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of >>> *Frederick >>> G Street via CnC-List >>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 13, 2014 10:35 AM >>> *To:* Frederick G Street; cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List bonding strap question >>> >>> >>> >>> Actually, there?s a reason to NOT use braid; from the ABYC bonding >>> standard: >>> >>> >>> >>> The common bonding conductor shall be uninsulated copper or bronze strip, >>> copper tubing, bare tinned-copper wire or insulated copper wire of the >>> proper gauge. >>> *Copper braid shall not be used for this purpose. * >>> (a) Common Bonding conductors fabricated from copper or bronze strip shall >>> have a minimum thickness of 1/32 inch and be no less than 1/2 inch in width. >>> >>> (b) Wire, where used as the common bonding conductor, shall be at least >>> no. 8 AWG. >>> >>> Note: These requirements are based on both physical strength and the >>> ability to make alld maintain low-resistance >>> connections, as well as current ratings. >>> >>> >>> >>> So 8AWG would be okay for bonding; UNLESS it?s part of a lightning >>> protection system. Then 4AWG is recommended. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >>> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 13, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Skip ? there?s no reason to use braid over the usual insulated large-gauge >>> stranded cable. I?ve got all crimp terminals from 8AWG to 4/0, in terminal >>> sizes from #10 to 3/8?, as well as the proper compound crimper needed to do >>> those large lugs; if you?d like, I could do up a heavy grounding wire for >>> you. 4AWG green cable should be okay for the mast; I may actually have >>> some of that around, depending on the length you need. And for the engine, >>> if it?s just bonding (NOT the main DC system ground), 4AWG should be okay >>> there, too. If you need a main DC ground, I?d probably go bigger than >>> 4AWG; maybe 2/0 to account for engine cranking current. >>> >>> >>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >>> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 13, 2014, at 7:52 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I am in need of a bonding conductor for both my engine block and mast. >>> Engine block strap is corroded to the point of dust. Mast strap is missing. >>> >>> >>> >>> The boat contains braided tinned copper straps with nice big ring ends to >>> fit over the keel bolts. I have been able to find braided flat straps but >>> no termination hardware. Does anyone here have experience with that? I have >>> lots of experience terminating standard stranded wire but never braided >>> straps. 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