$150.00 David E. Midkiff
-----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 96, Issue 158 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Winch Barient 28 (sam.c.sal...@gmail.com) 2. Otter Problem (Tom B) 3. Re: Otter Problem (Dennis C.) 4. Re: Winch Barient 28, oh G (Russ & Melody) 5. Re: Datamarine Auction (Della Barba, Joe) (Della Barba, Joe) 6. Re: Datamarine Auction (Della Barba, Joe) (D Harben) 7. Re: Otter Problem (Martin DeYoung) 8. Re: Advice Wanted: Cleaning out a Fuel Tank C&C 30mkII (Michael Brown) 9. Re: Mixing Elbow (ahycr...@cox.net) 10. Re: Advice Wanted: Cleaning out a Fuel Tank C&C 30mkII (dwight) 11. Re: Mixing Elbow (ahycr...@cox.net) 12. Re: Mixing Elbow (Jake Brodersen) 13. Re: Mixing Elbow (ahycr...@cox.net) 14. Re: Winch Barient 28 (Wally Bryant) 15. Exhaust Hose (Robert Abbott) 16. Mixing Elbow (Robert Abbott) 17. Now Engine (Robert Abbott) 18. Mixing Elbow (Robert Abbott) 19. Re: Mixing Elbow (Robert Abbott) 20. Mixing Elbow (Robert Abbott) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:21:06 -0700 From: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Winch Barient 28 Message-ID: <20140125172106.5632143.85741.12...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140125/7e 093ab5/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 09:26:12 -0800 From: Tom B <t...@sv-alera.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List Otter Problem Message-ID: <840c7bb0-dc9d-486c-8cfc-597ee187d...@sv-alera.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yesterday we relocated Alera to our a Yacht Club's brand new docks. We have been on the wait list there for years and this is closer and cheaper. We were assigned a slip on the inside of the hammerhead at the end of the dock. When we tied up I noticed a large amount of poop on the dock. It looked bigger that any raccoon poop, like we had at our prior dock. As I was walking up I saw an otter on the dock. Apparently it is very bold and seemed to be nearly domesticated by the way some of the guys were shooing it away with little effect. My research revealed that otters develop habitual latrine areas and will go back to the same spot, out of the water where they live, to crap. Apparently, our finger pier is that spot. Any suggestions or crappy remarks are appreciated! Tom Buscaglia S/V Alera Vashon WA ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 09:41:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Dennis C." <capt...@yahoo.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Otter Problem Message-ID: <1390671669.68042.yahoomail...@web164804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ammonia water. Dennis C. >________________________________ > From: Tom B <t...@sv-alera.com> >To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:26 AM >Subject: Stus-List Otter Problem > > >Yesterday we relocated Alera to our a Yacht Club's brand new docks.? We have been on the wait list there for years and this is closer and cheaper.? We were assigned a slip on the inside of the hammerhead at the end of the dock.? When we tied up I noticed a large amount of poop on the dock.? It looked bigger that any raccoon poop, like we had at our prior dock.? > >As I was walking up I saw an otter on the dock.? Apparently it is very bold and seemed to be nearly domesticated by the way some of the guys were shooing it away with little effect.? > >My research revealed that otters develop habitual latrine areas and will go back to the same spot, out of the water where they live, to crap. Apparently, our finger pier is that spot. > >Any suggestions or crappy remarks are appreciated! > >Tom Buscaglia >S/V Alera >Vashon WA >_______________________________________________ >This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140125/e9 96ae76/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 09:43:25 -0800 From: Russ & Melody <russ...@telus.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Winch Barient 28, oh G Message-ID: <mailman.5343.1390687372.15846.cnc-list_cnc-list....@cnc-list.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Hi Sam, Try replacing your G string for silk. The Admiral seems to like them better than nylon :) Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 09:21 AM 25/01/2014, you wrote: >My b & g strings are nylon! > >sam :-) >From: Rich Knowles >Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 7:29 AM >To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: >cnc-list@cnc-list.com >Subject: Re: Stus-List Winch Barient 28 > >I've used guitar strings. B or G string works. > >Rich > > > On Jan 25, 2014, at 10:13, Wally Bryant <w...@wbryant.com> wrote: > > > > If you lose a spring... > <http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/fyi/winches/pawl/spring.htm> I used > .018 diameter wire, which is a little thicker than the original spring > wire, but I didn't want to go buy more. It fits, and has worked > perfectly for 10 years. Still have the wire on the boat. It beats the > heck out of spending $50 for a little packet of 5 spares. > > > > Wal > > > > Rich Knowles wrote: > >> Those pawls love water. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > >_______________________________________________ >This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com >_______________________________________________ >This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140125/d6 d4467f/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:52:47 -0500 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Datamarine Auction (Della Barba, Joe) Message-ID: <1073606396712942aee54d9a960e45a718c9655...@hq-mb-07.ba.ad.ssa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OK - we have $100 for the Photo Album so far :) Joe Della Barba Coquina -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Davidmidkiff Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 7:54 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Datamarine Auction (Della Barba, Joe) -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:48 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 96, Issue 149 I will get the Auction started with a bid of $100.00. I am getting ready to take my mast down and my old wind unit is not working. I had this system on my C&C 33 and was very happy with it. I now have an older C&C 30 and am getting it into sailing condition. David Midkiff C&C30 Currently Joan D (soon to change) This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:58:32 -0500 From: D Harben <sailadventu...@rogers.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Datamarine Auction (Della Barba, Joe) Message-ID: <ca337f98-9f86-4dbc-8c03-f92710211...@rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" $125 for the cncphotoalbum Don Don Harben Life C&C 29-1 www.ncyc.ca North Channel Yacht Club > On Jan 25, 2014, at 12:52 PM, "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> wrote: > > OK - we have $100 for the Photo Album so far :) > > Joe Della Barba > Coquina > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of > Davidmidkiff > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 7:54 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Datamarine Auction (Della Barba, Joe) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:48 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 96, Issue 149 > > I will get the Auction started with a bid of $100.00. I am getting ready to take my mast down and my old wind unit is not working. I had this system on my C&C 33 and was very happy with it. I now have an older C&C 30 and am getting it into sailing condition. > > David Midkiff > C&C30 > Currently Joan D (soon to change) > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140125/54 096797/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:18:04 +0000 From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> To: Dennis C. <capt...@yahoo.com>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Otter Problem Message-ID: <23eae197cc1b594fa8793397ebcd357d84e...@dmi3.dmi.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Last winter we battled otters who decided pooping under Calypso's cover was cool. After trying all the techniques listed on the St of Washington's wildlife web site, including rat traps, ammonia and loud sound(radio left on) the only thing that worked was a fence. This year we have a plastic garden fence tied to the life lines bow to stern, including the gate. The fence material is plastic and easy to cut to height. The Shilshole river otter clan prefers to climb vs. jump onboard. We do not put fencing where the deck is more than 3' off the water or dock. Good luck in your battle. The state wildlife info does warn that otters which can reach 80lbs can turn aggressive so some caution when approaching may be in order. Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle ________________________________ From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Dennis C. [capt...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:41 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Otter Problem Ammonia water. Dennis C. ________________________________ From: Tom B <t...@sv-alera.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:26 AM Subject: Stus-List Otter Problem Yesterday we relocated Alera to our a Yacht Club's brand new docks. We have been on the wait list there for years and this is closer and cheaper. We were assigned a slip on the inside of the hammerhead at the end of the dock. When we tied up I noticed a large amount of poop on the dock. It looked bigger that any raccoon poop, like we had at our prior dock. As I was walking up I saw an otter on the dock. Apparently it is very bold and seemed to be nearly domesticated by the way some of the guys were shooing it away with little effect. My research revealed that otters develop habitual latrine areas and will go back to the same spot, out of the water where they live, to crap. Apparently, our finger pier is that spot. Any suggestions or crappy remarks are appreciated! Tom Buscaglia S/V Alera Vashon WA _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com<http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140125/46 6ff97a/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:42:38 -0500 From: Michael Brown <m...@tkg.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Advice Wanted: Cleaning out a Fuel Tank C&C 30mkII Message-ID: <3397855901-31...@mail.tkg.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I disconnect the vent line at the hull fitting, and the fuel line at the inlet to the filter. The fuel line goes into an empty gas can. I connect an airgun from an air tank, a automotive "pig" for inflating tires, to the vent line. I lightly pressurize the tank until the fuel is out, then add a bit of fuel with stabilizer in it which I let sit for a while. Then I flush it out. I have a gasoline engine, Atomic 4, so I can use the fuel in the snowblower or lawnmower. So far, even using the "rinse" gasoline has not been a problem. I realize there is an empty vs full for winter storage debate that has been going on for years. I have so little fuel in the tank, and the idea of rinsing out the tank twice a year with fresh fuel make storing empty OK for me. I use the expensive grade of gasoline, supposedly some of the brands omit the ethanol in their high test blends. The "rinse" gasoline is regular so it should absorb any water in the tank, but adding some gas line antifreeze will not hurt. For diesel you could try a rinse of diesel and methyl hydrate ( Kleen Flow ? ). If the tank is coated with varnish, gum or sludge it needs to be steam cleaned. During university a classmate had a job on a large freighter. He donned a protective suit and air gear, then went into the fuel tank. There was a team working to clean them. It started with big scrapers and shovels filling metal drums, then a steam cleaner. He described the sediment to be like mud. I think the big ships use Bunker C for fuel, nasty stuff. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140125/31 01f46c/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:43:17 -0500 From: <ahycr...@cox.net> To: w...@wbryant.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixing Elbow Message-ID: <20140125134317.26XHL.139679.imail@eastrmwml206> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 are all you guys talking about the yanmar 3gm30f engine? Gary Kolc ---- Wally Bryant <w...@wbryant.com> wrote: > Absolutely. I think that hours of heat on that hose/mixer elbow > connection makes it impossible to remove without cutting it off. I > keep a section of 2" exhaust hose stuck in the back of the boat, just > in case I need to do it again. Maybe next time I'll try some Permatex > #2 gasket sealant, which handles extended high temps without getting crusty. > There's always something new to try and figure out. > > Wal > > John Russo wrote: > > The hardest part was the short hose interfacing the elbow with the > > muffler and I had a problem removing and reconnecting. > > There doesn't appear to be any short cuts unless you are willing to > > cut off the interface hose and replace it with a new one. > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 14:59:13 -0400 From: "dwight" <dwight...@gmail.com> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Advice Wanted: Cleaning out a Fuel Tank C&C 30mkII Message-ID: <D02BAECBCF6B440EB044849B47F4C584@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Same thing happens with naval distillate diesel fuel when microorganisms start growing at a fuel water interface.the stuff on the tank walls is slimy and so thick sometimes you can grab a handful of slime anywhere.we had such problems in our Canadian navy and I have witnessed steam cleaning of those large tanks on our 280 class ships; plugging of fuel filters or coalescer units was a big issue and the sludge if it gets through can damage gas turbine engine components by creating hot spots and subsequent burn through. Only real solution is to keep the tanks dry, a near impossibility on warships at least, so our navy implemented better fuel husbandry practices and also experimented with adding biocides to the fuel.Biobor JF was one that was trialed as I recall. _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael Brown Sent: January 25, 2014 2:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Advice Wanted: Cleaning out a Fuel Tank C&C 30mkII I disconnect the vent line at the hull fitting, and the fuel line at the inlet to the filter. The fuel line goes into an empty gas can. I connect an airgun from an air tank, a automotive "pig" for inflating tires, to the vent line. I lightly pressurize the tank until the fuel is out, then add a bit of fuel with stabilizer in it which I let sit for a while. Then I flush it out. I have a gasoline engine, Atomic 4, so I can use the fuel in the snowblower or lawnmower. So far, even using the "rinse" gasoline has not been a problem. I realize there is an empty vs full for winter storage debate that has been going on for years. I have so little fuel in the tank, and the idea of rinsing out the tank twice a year with fresh fuel make storing empty OK for me. I use the expensive grade of gasoline, supposedly some of the brands omit the ethanol in their high test blends. The "rinse" gasoline is regular so it should absorb any water in the tank, but adding some gas line antifreeze will not hurt. For diesel you could try a rinse of diesel and methyl hydrate ( Kleen Flow ? ). If the tank is coated with varnish, gum or sludge it needs to be steam cleaned. During university a classmate had a job on a large freighter. He donned a protective suit and air gear, then went into the fuel tank. There was a team working to clean them. It started with big scrapers and shovels filling metal drums, then a steam cleaner. He described the sediment to be like mud. I think the big ships use Bunker C for fuel, nasty stuff. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140125/4c b9b498/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 14:11:20 -0500 From: <ahycr...@cox.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixing Elbow Message-ID: <20140125141120.SP1US.139844.imail@eastrmwml206> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 is this the mixing elbow everybody has? http://www.oldportmarine.com/misc_gm_ym_uelbow_assy.htm Gary ---- ahycr...@cox.net wrote: > are all you guys talking about the yanmar 3gm30f engine? > > Gary Kolc > ---- Wally Bryant <w...@wbryant.com> wrote: > > Absolutely. I think that hours of heat on that hose/mixer elbow > > connection makes it impossible to remove without cutting it off. I keep > > a section of 2" exhaust hose stuck in the back of the boat, just in case > > I need to do it again. Maybe next time I'll try some Permatex #2 gasket > > sealant, which handles extended high temps without getting crusty. > > There's always something new to try and figure out. > > > > Wal > > > > John Russo wrote: > > > The hardest part was the short hose interfacing > > > the elbow with the muffler and I had a problem removing and reconnecting. > > > There doesn't appear to be any short cuts unless you are willing to cut off > > > the interface hose and replace it with a new one. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 14:20:46 -0500 From: "Jake Brodersen" <captain_j...@cox.net> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixing Elbow Message-ID: <0c7b01cf1a02$8cf02980$a6d07c80$@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Looks just like mine. Jake -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of ahycr...@cox.net Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixing Elbow is this the mixing elbow everybody has? http://www.oldportmarine.com/misc_gm_ym_uelbow_assy.htm Gary ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 14:45:58 -0500 From: <ahycr...@cox.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixing Elbow Message-ID: <20140125144558.K1AAS.140031.imail@eastrmwml206> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The U elbow piece is ID threaded and on my setup there is a 2" piece of standard black pipe threaded into it. Next is a 90 degree elbow then a 3" piece of pipe. That 3" piece of pipe has been turned down from an OD of 1 .650 to 1.520. This piece is turned about 1.5 inches back. This allows the hose to the water muffler to slide on easily. Even after 20 years I was able to undo the 2 clamps and slide the assembly off with no trouble. Pictures available. Gary ---- Jake Brodersen <captain_j...@cox.net> wrote: > Looks just like mine. > > Jake > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of > ahycr...@cox.net > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:11 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixing Elbow > > is this the mixing elbow everybody has? > http://www.oldportmarine.com/misc_gm_ym_uelbow_assy.htm > > > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 20:12:12 +0000 From: Wally Bryant <w...@wbryant.com> To: Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Winch Barient 28 Message-ID: <52e41a9c.1030...@wbryant.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed YeAH.. (HANG ON i HAVE TO GO GET MY GLASSES TO FIND THE LOWERCASE KEY.) <vbg> Okay, this is a true story. More than a few years back some guy banged on my boat, and when I stuck my head out of the companionway he said, "Do You Have A G-String?" I'm polite by nature, so just said "Ummm..... No....." but I was thinking "There's a Teddy in the V-Berth, but I'm sure it's not yours." After a few minutes conversation, I realized he was looking for a guitar string. I gave him six feet of my pawl spring wire. Wal Rich Knowles wrote: > I've used guitar strings. B or G string works. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:10:16 -0400 From: Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> To: ahycr...@cox.net, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Exhaust Hose Message-ID: <52e42838.9040...@eastlink.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Gary: What's your boat? Mine is a 32 and I did not have to crawl under the cockpit sole.....I did have to get into the engine compartment via the port lazarette to access the muffler connection and push the new hose back alongside the starboard hull to the transom where it loops up and goes down to the thru hull. I had to take the propane locker out to access that thru hull. If it starts leaking, you have no choice but to replace it. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/01/24 8:36 PM, ahycr...@cox.net wrote: > Rob > Yes I am talking about the hose from the muffler to the stern and that is my next project. I just can't see how I can get all the way to the back of the boat under the cockpit sole . I think it is just to small for me to wiggle al the way back there to undo it from the fitting. As for the hose, this stuff is probably original making is 37 years old. If I use the same stuff and it only lasts 30 years this time well I'll be 93 years old. Every hose I have will probably be broken. > Gary > > ---- Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> wrote: >> Gary: >> >> Are you talking about your exhaust hose from the muffler back? If it is >> that old, it would be worth changing. Mine was probably original, 1984, >> probably 26 years old when it just showed signs of leaking from the >> inside out. A little seawater won't matter, but CO would be problematic >> when motoring. >> >> You should have, at the very least, marine grade exhaust hose, better >> yet a marine grade hard walled hose. The 'hard walled hose' is for a >> good reason.....it won't collapse. That's what I used. >> >> I replaced mine before I had the problem. >> >> Rob Abbott >> AZURA >> C&C 32 - 84 >> Halifax, N.S. >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:25:28 -0400 From: Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> To: w...@wbryant.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mixing Elbow Message-ID: <52e42bc8.8040...@eastlink.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Wal /John I didn't even try to disconnect the short hose from the mixing elbow to the muffler......cut it with a drumel tool.....quick, easy.....and can be done with one hand! Putting the new one on was more challenging....but after repeated attempts to bend that 'hard walled hose' and I heated it with a heat gun, I figured out how to get the leverage I needed to bend it onto the muffler intake. Doing this stuff when you are contorted in ways you are not meant to be makes the beer afterwards all that more appreciated. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/01/25 10:04 AM, Wally Bryant wrote: > Absolutely. I think that hours of heat on that hose/mixer elbow > connection makes it impossible to remove without cutting it off. I > keep a section of 2" exhaust hose stuck in the back of the boat, just > in case I need to do it again. Maybe next time I'll try some Permatex > #2 gasket sealant, which handles extended high temps without getting > crusty. There's always something new to try and figure out. > > Wal > > John Russo wrote: >> The hardest part was the short hose interfacing >> the elbow with the muffler and I had a problem removing and >> reconnecting. >> There doesn't appear to be any short cuts unless you are willing to >> cut off >> the interface hose and replace it with a new one. > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:35:00 -0400 From: Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, w...@wbryant.com Subject: Stus-List Now Engine Message-ID: <52e42e04.8020...@eastlink.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Gary: My engine is a Yanmar 2GMF.....wish it was a 3gm30f. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/01/25 2:43 PM, ahycr...@cox.net wrote: > are all you guys talking about the yanmar 3gm30f engine? > > Gary Kolc > ---- Wally Bryant <w...@wbryant.com> wrote: >> Absolutely. I think that hours of heat on that hose/mixer elbow >> connection makes it impossible to remove without cutting it off. I keep >> a section of 2" exhaust hose stuck in the back of the boat, just in case >> I need to do it again. Maybe next time I'll try some Permatex #2 gasket >> sealant, which handles extended high temps without getting crusty. >> There's always something new to try and figure out. >> >> Wal >> >> John Russo wrote: >>> The hardest part was the short hose interfacing >>> the elbow with the muffler and I had a problem removing and reconnecting. >>> There doesn't appear to be any short cuts unless you are willing to cut off >>> the interface hose and replace it with a new one. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:39:59 -0400 From: Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mixing Elbow Message-ID: <52e42f2f.5010...@eastlink.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Gary: It's the same as mine. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/01/25 3:11 PM, ahycr...@cox.net wrote: > is this the mixing elbow everybody has? > http://www.oldportmarine.com/misc_gm_ym_uelbow_assy.htm > > Gary > ---- ahycr...@cox.net wrote: >> are all you guys talking about the yanmar 3gm30f engine? >> >> Gary Kolc >> ---- Wally Bryant <w...@wbryant.com> wrote: >>> Absolutely. I think that hours of heat on that hose/mixer elbow >>> connection makes it impossible to remove without cutting it off. I keep >>> a section of 2" exhaust hose stuck in the back of the boat, just in case >>> I need to do it again. Maybe next time I'll try some Permatex #2 gasket >>> sealant, which handles extended high temps without getting crusty. >>> There's always something new to try and figure out. >>> >>> Wal >>> >>> John Russo wrote: >>>> The hardest part was the short hose interfacing >>>> the elbow with the muffler and I had a problem removing and reconnecting. >>>> There doesn't appear to be any short cuts unless you are willing to cut off >>>> the interface hose and replace it with a new one. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:48:45 -0400 From: Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixing Elbow Message-ID: <52e4313d.6090...@eastlink.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Gary: Sure, please send me the pictures offline.....email address.... robertabb...@eastlink.ca I think I know what it looks like, and if I had done it that way, it would have been a lot easier....but I didn't think of it that way at the time.....I thought, a piece of 18" hose came off and an 18" hose is going back on ...and it did but it was not easy. Rob On 2014/01/25 3:45 PM, ahycr...@cox.net wrote: > The U elbow piece is ID threaded and on my setup there is a 2" piece of standard black pipe threaded into it. Next is a 90 degree elbow then a 3" piece of pipe. That 3" piece of pipe has been turned down from an OD of 1 .650 to 1.520. This piece is turned about 1.5 inches back. This allows the hose to the water muffler to slide on easily. Even after 20 years I was able to undo the 2 clamps and slide the assembly off with no trouble. Pictures available. > > Gary > ---- Jake Brodersen <captain_j...@cox.net> wrote: >> Looks just like mine. >> >> Jake >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of >> ahycr...@cox.net >> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:11 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixing Elbow >> >> is this the mixing elbow everybody has? >> http://www.oldportmarine.com/misc_gm_ym_uelbow_assy.htm >> >> >> Gary >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:02:53 -0400 From: Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mixing Elbow Message-ID: <52e4348d.40...@eastlink.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 2014/01/24 11:07 PM, John Russo wrote:....."I just did this job last season and should get 5-7 years out of it." John, you should expect your new exhaust system to last a lot longer that 5-7 years. I don't expect to ever have to do this job again on my boat.....the hoses I used are guaranteed for +10 years, the muffler is a Vernalift resin.....the old mixing elbow I took off was used by me here in salt water for 7 seasons and it did not need to be replaced (neither did the SS muffler)....obviously they were changed before we bought the boat in 2006 but I didn't know that, so I replaced it all. Agree, the hardest part was the 18" short piece of hose from the mixing elbow to the muffler.....on my boat the hose has to be bent down of course, but with a slight " S " in it as the mixing elbow outlet is not lined up with the muffler intake...thus the need to " S " shape the hose...and it doesn't want to be shaped that way no matter how much heat your apply to it. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. > Rob, > > I have the identical boat and replaced the entire exhaust assembly and > essentially went through all the moves that you did working from behind and > then in front of the engine. The hardest part was the short hose interfacing > the elbow with the muffler and I had a problem removing and reconnecting. > There doesn't appear to be any short cuts unless you are willing to cut off > the interface hose and replace it with a new one. I just did this job last > season and should get 5-7 years out of it. > > John > Arpeggio > Norwalk CT > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Abbott > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 7:04 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: [SPAM]Stus-List Mixing Elbow > > Jake: > > Yes, I did remove the mixing elbow and exhaust flange together from the > exhaust manifold......it was the only way to remove the mixing elbow....and > then it was challenge to separate the mixing elbow from the flange on a work > bench....but with patience and a little help of a pipe extension on the big > wrench, it separated. > > My friend that helped had 'headless bolts' can I could hand screw into the > exhaust manifold to guide the combined exhaust flange and new mixing elbow > in place. I put two in diagonally, put the other two diagonal permanent > bolts in, removed the two 'headless bolts' and put the next > two bolts in....tighten up....done. It helped when you are working on > your side left handed. Also put in a new gasket between the flange and > manifold. > > There was no problem with the exhaust hose from the muffler back to the thru > hull...other than standing on my head working on the thru hull connection. > > The problem was connecting the short 18" hose from the mixing elbow to the > muffler......because of the angle to the two and the stiffness of the > 'marine grade hard walled exhaust hose' I chose, for a long time I could not > connect the hose over one of the two.....the angle and stiffness of the hose > and the fact I am not able to work with both hands adequately, made it a > frustrating job....I could get one on but not the > other. After multiple attempts, I attached the hose to the mixing > elbow and inserted a big flat head screw driver into the hose, which gave me > the leverage to bend it enough to begin to place it over the muffler > intake....a few tries with the screw driver, success........ and it was now > beer time. > > As with every first time job, if I were to do it again (which I hope I never > have to), I could do it with more know how and less frustration. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > > > > > > On 2014/01/24 6:26 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote: >> Rob, >> >> Working with exhaust hose can be very challenging. When I replaced >> mine, I used 90 degree fiberglass elbows. It was far superior to the >> kinked mess my boat came with. They are much easier to put together >> than a long piece of stiff hose. I usually remove the mixing elbow >> along with the exhaust manifold. It's much easier to put them in a >> vice on my bench than try to separate them on the boat. >> >> Jake >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of >> Robert Abbott >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:56 PM >> To: ahycr...@cox.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Stus-List Now Mixing Elbow >> >> Gary: >> >> Problem with changing the mixing elbow was the limited and awkward >> space to work in on my boat......access is in through the port locker >> into the engine compartment,,,,access is restricted because of hot >> water heater in the port locker (could be removed but I didn't, extra >> work).....mixing elbow in on the starboard side so I am lying on my >> right side using my left hand.....I am 'right handed'. >> >> Ended up taking the mixing elbow off by working from the front of the >> engine. A friend had done it before and helped me. He had "blank(s)" >> or "bolts without heads" that could be screwed into the exhaust >> manifold to guide and hold the mixing elbow in place while you >> attached the permanent ones. Doing that 'blind' from the front of the >> engine or trying to do it with one hand would be almost impossible. >> >> Then attaching the hose from the mixing elbow to the new Vernalift >> muffler proved to be a challenge......used a heat gun to soften the >> hose....just difficult to work with one hand much of the time. >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ CnC-List mailing list CnC-List@cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ------------------------------ End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 96, Issue 158 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
