So, after all my agonizing of how to handle moving the transducer from its
original location under the port locker as a thru hull, I find out that I don't
have to drill another hole in my hull, simply install somewhere in the forepeak.
Seeing the MK II has a "solid" lay up, I guess I should have a few spots where
it can go.
So, if I understand Dwight's email correctly, this may inhibit the range
somewhat, correct?
Alex Giannelia
CC 35-II 1974 to be renamed after re-launch
TORONTO, Ontario
Message: 2
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 08:28:56 -0500
From: Curtis <cpt.b...@gmail.com>
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List In hull transducer location
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I have purchased a new echo50s for Christmas. I'm trying to decide were to
install the inhull transducer. I have had some tell me that I should put the
sensor in a zip-lock bag with mineral oil to find the best spot in the hull?
On A C&C 30 MK1 has anybody installed one in there hull? I have 2 threw hulls
under the forward head bilge. Both will not work. any Ideas of what to look for
in the bag of oil with the sensor in it to determine where is the best
location? I have a depth sounder forward now. It would be nice to have one in
the back of the boat somewhere.
--
?Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should
really be running the world.? - Nicholas Monsarrat
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 08:46:35 -0500
From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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That works or just out Vaseline on the transducer. It will last for years.
Anyplace close to centerline.
On Friday, December 20, 2013, Curtis wrote:
> I have purchased a new echo50s for Christmas. I'm trying to decide
> were to install the inhull transducer. I have had some tell me that I
> should put the sensor in a zip-lock bag with mineral oil to find the
> best spot in the hull?
> On A C&C 30 MK1 has anybody installed one in there hull? I have 2
> threw hulls under the forward head bilge. Both will not work. any
> Ideas of what to look for in the bag of oil with the sensor in it to
> determine where is the best location? I have a depth sounder forward
> now. It would be nice to have one in the back of the boat somewhere.
>
> --
> ?Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline,
> should really be running the world.? - Nicholas Monsarrat
>
>
--
Joel
301 541 8551
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:02:16 -0500
From: "David Jacobs" <davidjaco...@comcast.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List In hull transducer location
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Joel,
Is there any place on a 35 MK III, near the centerline that isn't cored and
might be a good location for a in hull sensor?
Dave
Saltaire
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List In hull transducer location
That works or just out Vaseline on the transducer. It will last for years.
Anyplace close to centerline.
On Friday, December 20, 2013, Curtis wrote:
I have purchased a new echo50s for Christmas. I'm trying to decide were to
install the inhull transducer. I have had some tell me that I should put the
sensor in a zip-lock bag with mineral oil to find the best spot in the hull?
On A C&C 30 MK1 has anybody installed one in there hull? I have 2 threw hulls
under the forward head bilge. Both will not work. any Ideas of what to look for
in the bag of oil with the sensor in it to determine where is the best
location? I have a depth sounder forward now. It would be nice to have one in
the back of the boat somewhere.
--
"Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should
really be running the world." - Nicholas Monsarrat
--
Joel
301 541 8551
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:22:19 -0500
From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List In hull transducer location
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I used an in hull on my Pearson not my 35. It was trial and error. That's
why you don't want to glue it permanently until you are sure. I would guess
there is little core at the centerline but the glass is thicker there.
On Friday, December 20, 2013, David Jacobs wrote:
> Joel,
>
>
>
> Is there any place on a 35 MK III, near the centerline that isn?t cored
> and might be a good location for a in hull sensor?
>
>
>
> Dave
>
> Saltaire
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <javascript:_e({},
> 'cvml', 'cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');>] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson
> *Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2013 8:47 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List In hull transducer location
>
>
>
> That works or just out Vaseline on the transducer. It will last for years.
> Anyplace close to centerline.
>
> On Friday, December 20, 2013, Curtis wrote:
>
> I have purchased a new echo50s for Christmas. I'm trying to decide were to
> install the inhull transducer. I have had some tell me that I should put
> the sensor in a zip-lock bag with mineral oil to find the best spot in the
> hull?
>
> On A C&C 30 MK1 has anybody installed one in there hull? I have 2 threw
> hulls under the forward head bilge. Both will not work. any Ideas of what
> to look for in the bag of oil with the sensor in it to determine where is
> the best location? I have a depth sounder forward now. It would be nice to
> have one in the back of the boat somewhere.
>
>
>
> --
> ?Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline,
> should really be running the world.? - Nicholas Monsarrat
>
>
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
>
--
Joel
301 541 8551
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:15:18 -0500
From: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List In hull transducer location
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Curtis;
A depth sounder installed in the back of the boat won't work well, if at
all, when under weigh. When sailing the turbulence from the keel will
interfere, and when motoring it will be the pressure waves generated by the
prop. (I think the transom mounted sounder on my 19ft Grady White works OK
when below about 10MPH becayse it is about 3 ft outboard and 1 ft ahead of
the outdrive. But you would be hard presses to get much offset from the prop
on a sailboat.)
Garmin recommends that the transducer be installed forward of the leading
edge of the keel on a sailboat.
I have am Airmar P79 transducer, which comes with a mount designed for
installation inside the hull. It is installed on centerline just forward of
the back bulkhead for the v-berth. My hull is cores, so I had to find a
place where there was solid glass for the installation, or do surgery to
remove a bit of the inner fiberglass skin and core (which, frankly, gave me
the willies).
On my 25, which is not a cored hull, I was able to use a location in the
forward corner of the locker under the port settee. About even with the
leading edge of the keel and a short easy run for the wires to the location
of the display and the breaker panel.
Your plastic bag does not need to be filled with oil, water will do.
Hook your transducer to the sounder, and hook the sounder up to power, then
turn it on. Place the bag on the inside of the hull in a location where you
think you would like to install the transducer. If you get a depth reading
the location will work. If you don't get a reading, try other locations
until you find one that makes installation and access easy, and where the
transducer give a good signal.
Lots of guys on the list have had good luck installing transducers in a
puddle of silicone or epoxy. But with either you can get air bubbles between
the transducer and the hull that make it not work.
I prefer to mount the transducer in a "wet box." On the 25 I used a 3" or 4"
PVC cleanout cap (with a threaded plug). I cut the end of the cleanout at an
appropriate angle, and then shaped it to fit the curve of the hull. Then cut
a vertical slot in the threads the width of the transducer wire diameter.
Epoxy the resulting wet box to the inside of the hull,
Fill it part way with mineral oil. Put the transducer in, and screw the plug
down tight enough to seal the hole where the wire comes out.
Or, as I said, use a transducer that comes with a collar that you epoxy to
the hull.
Good luck.
Rick Brass
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:29 AM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List In hull transducer location
I have purchased a new echo50s for Christmas. I'm trying to decide were to
install the inhull transducer. I have had some tell me that I should put the
sensor in a zip-lock bag with mineral oil to find the best spot in the hull?
On A C&C 30 MK1 has anybody installed one in there hull? I have 2 threw
hulls under the forward head bilge. Both will not work. any Ideas of what to
look for in the bag of oil with the sensor in it to determine where is the
best location? I have a depth sounder forward now. It would be nice to have
one in the back of the boat somewhere.
--
"Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should
really be running the world." - Nicholas Monsarrat
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:36:55 -0600
From: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sailing Away (was Crack where keel meets hull)
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Must have been a ?tequila? day? :^)
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
On Dec 19, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Peter <pe...@cruisingnet.com> wrote:
> Saw Stella Blue anchored of Punta Mita on Banderas Bay a couple of years
> back. Called on the radio, but no one answered?
>
> I have been reading his blog for years (though he seems to have taken a break
> from it of late?).
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:59:09 -0800 (PST)
From: "Dennis C." <capt...@yahoo.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List In hull transducer location - depthsounder
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I like the depth transducer forward to get as much warning as possible.? Maybe
a few feet doesn't sound like much to most of you but I tend to bounce the keel
frequently.? :)
While most of you have a depthsounder, I have a "Debsounder".? The Admiral,
Deborah, has some sort of mental connection with Touche'.? When her "pucker
meter" edges upward, she advises me and I change course to deeper water.? She
is rarely wrong.? I remember more than one occasion when I was assuring her we
were in plenty of water when "bump".? Ooops!
The transducer in my previous boat was mounted in a silicone blob on the inside
of the hull.? Worked years with no issues.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
>________________________________
> From: Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net>
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 9:15 AM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List In hull transducer location
>
>
>
>Curtis;
>?
>A depth sounder installed in the back of the boat won?t work well, if at all,
>when under weigh. When sailing the turbulence from the keel will interfere,
>and when motoring it will be the pressure waves generated by the prop. (I
>think the transom mounted sounder on my 19ft Grady White works OK when below
>about 10MPH becayse it is about 3 ft outboard and 1 ft ahead of the outdrive.
>But you would be hard presses to get much offset from the prop on a sailboat.)
>?
>Garmin recommends that the transducer be installed forward of the leading edge
>of the keel on a sailboat.
>?
>I have am Airmar P79 transducer, which comes with a mount designed for
>installation inside the hull. It is installed on centerline just forward of
>the back bulkhead for the v-berth. My hull is cores, so I had to find a place
>where there was solid glass for the installation, or do surgery to remove a
>bit of the inner fiberglass skin and core (which, frankly, gave me the
>willies).
>?
>On my 25, which is not a cored hull, I was able to use a location in the
>forward corner of the locker under the port settee. About even with the
>leading edge of the keel and a short easy run for the wires to the location of
>the display and the breaker panel.
>?
>Your plastic bag does not need to be filled with oil, water will do.
>?
>Hook your transducer to the sounder, and hook the sounder up to power, then
>turn it on. Place the bag on the inside of the hull in a location where you
>think you would like to install the transducer. If you get a depth reading the
>location will work. If you don?t get a reading, try other locations until you
>find one that makes installation and access easy, and where the transducer
>give a good signal.
>?
>Lots of guys on the list have had good luck installing transducers in a puddle
>of silicone or epoxy. But with either you can get air bubbles between the
>transducer and the hull that make it not work.
>?
>I prefer to mount the transducer in a ?wet box.? On the 25 I used a 3? or 4?
>PVC cleanout cap (with a threaded plug). I cut the end of the cleanout at an
>appropriate angle, and then shaped it to fit the curve of the hull. Then cut a
>vertical slot in the threads the width of the transducer wire diameter. Epoxy
>the resulting wet box to the inside of the hull,
>Fill it part way with mineral oil. Put the transducer in, and screw the plug
>down tight enough to seal the hole where the wire comes out.
>?
>Or, as I said, use a transducer that comes with a collar that you epoxy to the
>hull.
>?
>Good luck.
>?
>Rick Brass
>?
>From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
>Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:29 AM
>To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Stus-List In hull transducer location
>?
>I have purchased a new echo50s for Christmas. I'm trying to decide were to
>install the inhull transducer. I have had some tell me that I should put the
>sensor in a zip-lock bag with mineral oil to find the best spot in the hull? ?
>On A C&C 30 MK1 has anybody installed one in there hull? I have 2 threw hulls
>under the forward head bilge. Both will not work. any Ideas of what to look
>for in the bag of oil with the sensor in it to determine where is the best
>location? ?I have a depth sounder forward now. It would be nice to have one in
>the back of the boat somewhere.
>
>?
>--
>?Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should
>really be running the world.? - Nicholas Monsarrat
>
>_______________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:34:14 -0500
From: Curtis <cpt.b...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List In hull transducer location
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Hey tahnks david,
this helps alot. I have been looking aroind the internet this morning
and think I can do it. I have 2 thru-hull transduciers in thethe
location just foward of the keel in the foward bilge in the bathroom.
So maybe I can go just foward of the bulkhead in the foward birth and
find a suitable spot. Thanks again for your help.
Have a greay christmes.
On 12/20/13, Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Curtis;
>
>
>
> A depth sounder installed in the back of the boat won't work well, if at
> all, when under weigh. When sailing the turbulence from the keel will
> interfere, and when motoring it will be the pressure waves generated by the
> prop. (I think the transom mounted sounder on my 19ft Grady White works OK
> when below about 10MPH becayse it is about 3 ft outboard and 1 ft ahead of
> the outdrive. But you would be hard presses to get much offset from the
> prop
> on a sailboat.)
>
>
>
> Garmin recommends that the transducer be installed forward of the leading
> edge of the keel on a sailboat.
>
>
>
> I have am Airmar P79 transducer, which comes with a mount designed for
> installation inside the hull. It is installed on centerline just forward of
> the back bulkhead for the v-berth. My hull is cores, so I had to find a
> place where there was solid glass for the installation, or do surgery to
> remove a bit of the inner fiberglass skin and core (which, frankly, gave me
> the willies).
>
>
>
> On my 25, which is not a cored hull, I was able to use a location in the
> forward corner of the locker under the port settee. About even with the
> leading edge of the keel and a short easy run for the wires to the location
> of the display and the breaker panel.
>
>
>
> Your plastic bag does not need to be filled with oil, water will do.
>
>
>
> Hook your transducer to the sounder, and hook the sounder up to power, then
> turn it on. Place the bag on the inside of the hull in a location where you
> think you would like to install the transducer. If you get a depth reading
> the location will work. If you don't get a reading, try other locations
> until you find one that makes installation and access easy, and where the
> transducer give a good signal.
>
>
>
> Lots of guys on the list have had good luck installing transducers in a
> puddle of silicone or epoxy. But with either you can get air bubbles
> between
> the transducer and the hull that make it not work.
>
>
>
> I prefer to mount the transducer in a "wet box." On the 25 I used a 3" or
> 4"
> PVC cleanout cap (with a threaded plug). I cut the end of the cleanout at
> an
> appropriate angle, and then shaped it to fit the curve of the hull. Then
> cut
> a vertical slot in the threads the width of the transducer wire diameter.
> Epoxy the resulting wet box to the inside of the hull,
>
> Fill it part way with mineral oil. Put the transducer in, and screw the
> plug
> down tight enough to seal the hole where the wire comes out.
>
>
>
> Or, as I said, use a transducer that comes with a collar that you epoxy to
> the hull.
>
>
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
>
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:29 AM
> To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List In hull transducer location
>
>
>
> I have purchased a new echo50s for Christmas. I'm trying to decide were to
> install the inhull transducer. I have had some tell me that I should put
> the
> sensor in a zip-lock bag with mineral oil to find the best spot in the
> hull?
>
>
> On A C&C 30 MK1 has anybody installed one in there hull? I have 2 threw
> hulls under the forward head bilge. Both will not work. any Ideas of what
> to
> look for in the bag of oil with the sensor in it to determine where is the
> best location? I have a depth sounder forward now. It would be nice to
> have
> one in the back of the boat somewhere.
>
>
>
>
> --
> "Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline,
> should
> really be running the world." - Nicholas Monsarrat
>
>
--
?Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline,
should really be running the world.? - Nicholas Monsarrat
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:55:41 -0400
From: "dwight" <dwight...@gmail.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List In hull transducer location
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Curtis
There are lots of spots on a C&C 30 MKI where the sender will work fine,
forward of the keel is definitely the preferred location as you have been
told...inside mount works good but you will lose some range...I get 200 feet
max which is just fine for my purposes but if thru hull mounted I expect the
range would double... planting the transducer as close as possible to a
cleaned (acetone washed) surface on the inside in a nice air free glob of GE
silicone (100%) has worked fine for several years on Alianna... a bigger
problem may be the wire run to the display head...I like that wire to be
hidden as much as possible
-----Original Message-----
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
Sent: December 20, 2013 12:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List In hull transducer location
Hey tahnks david,
this helps alot. I have been looking aroind the internet this morning
and think I can do it. I have 2 thru-hull transduciers in thethe
location just foward of the keel in the foward bilge in the bathroom.
So maybe I can go just foward of the bulkhead in the foward birth and
find a suitable spot. Thanks again for your help.
Have a greay christmes.
On 12/20/13, Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Curtis;
>
>
>
> A depth sounder installed in the back of the boat won't work well, if at
> all, when under weigh. When sailing the turbulence from the keel will
> interfere, and when motoring it will be the pressure waves generated by
the
> prop. (I think the transom mounted sounder on my 19ft Grady White works OK
> when below about 10MPH becayse it is about 3 ft outboard and 1 ft ahead of
> the outdrive. But you would be hard presses to get much offset from the
> prop
> on a sailboat.)
>
>
>
> Garmin recommends that the transducer be installed forward of the leading
> edge of the keel on a sailboat.
>
>
>
> I have am Airmar P79 transducer, which comes with a mount designed for
> installation inside the hull. It is installed on centerline just forward
of
> the back bulkhead for the v-berth. My hull is cores, so I had to find a
> place where there was solid glass for the installation, or do surgery to
> remove a bit of the inner fiberglass skin and core (which, frankly, gave
me
> the willies).
>
>
>
> On my 25, which is not a cored hull, I was able to use a location in the
> forward corner of the locker under the port settee. About even with the
> leading edge of the keel and a short easy run for the wires to the
location
> of the display and the breaker panel.
>
>
>
> Your plastic bag does not need to be filled with oil, water will do.
>
>
>
> Hook your transducer to the sounder, and hook the sounder up to power,
then
> turn it on. Place the bag on the inside of the hull in a location where
you
> think you would like to install the transducer. If you get a depth reading
> the location will work. If you don't get a reading, try other locations
> until you find one that makes installation and access easy, and where the
> transducer give a good signal.
>
>
>
> Lots of guys on the list have had good luck installing transducers in a
> puddle of silicone or epoxy. But with either you can get air bubbles
> between
> the transducer and the hull that make it not work.
>
>
>
> I prefer to mount the transducer in a "wet box." On the 25 I used a 3" or
> 4"
> PVC cleanout cap (with a threaded plug). I cut the end of the cleanout at
> an
> appropriate angle, and then shaped it to fit the curve of the hull. Then
> cut
> a vertical slot in the threads the width of the transducer wire diameter.
> Epoxy the resulting wet box to the inside of the hull,
>
> Fill it part way with mineral oil. Put the transducer in, and screw the
> plug
> down tight enough to seal the hole where the wire comes out.
>
>
>
> Or, as I said, use a transducer that comes with a collar that you epoxy to
> the hull.
>
>
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
>
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:29 AM
> To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List In hull transducer location
>
>
>
> I have purchased a new echo50s for Christmas. I'm trying to decide were to
> install the inhull transducer. I have had some tell me that I should put
> the
> sensor in a zip-lock bag with mineral oil to find the best spot in the
> hull?
>
>
> On A C&C 30 MK1 has anybody installed one in there hull? I have 2 threw
> hulls under the forward head bilge. Both will not work. any Ideas of what
> to
> look for in the bag of oil with the sensor in it to determine where is the
> best location? I have a depth sounder forward now. It would be nice to
> have
> one in the back of the boat somewhere.
>
>
>
>
> --
> "Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline,
> should
> really be running the world." - Nicholas Monsarrat
>
>
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