OK - now we're cooking!
Sam :-)

On 2013-12-03, at 10:34 PM, "Ronald B. Frerker" <rbfrer...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sam,
> While the draft change is minimal, the entry of the luff changes with halyard 
> tension in the newer materials.  You can check this by experiment.  Set the 
> jib halyard hand tight and note the angle of the luff entry; then tighten the 
> halyard a lot and note how the entry of the jib moved.
> This entry change makes it overall flatter or less flat.
> As you state, draft is mostly built in.
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:06 PM, "sam.c.sal...@gmail.com" 
> <sam.c.sal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've got the book, one of many, and I understand and am an obsessive sail 
> trimer. What I don't understand, yet, is what pulling the halyard on a sail 
> that doesn't stretch do?
> sam :-)
> 
> 
> From: niall buckley
> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 5:59 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
> 
> Sam,
> If you are really interested in this,(and you should be, if you want to get 
> the most pleasure from sailing your vessel),
> find a copy of "sail power".
> Halyard tension, backstay,lead position,boom downhaul etc are the gears that 
> accelerate your boat.
> I'm writing on Wellness and Anti Aging now, so find the Book.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:05 PM, <sam.c.sal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If the shape is factory engineered, and they don't stretch, what is adjusting 
> halyard tension going to do?
> Tensioning the halyards on the old sails stretched the Dacron on the bias and 
> moved the draft forward. It can't do that on the kryptonite one!
> A bit more explaining please! 
> 
> sam :-)
> 
> From: niall buckley
> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 4:31 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck
> 
> The main difference is that the new sails dont stretch and their shape is 
> factory engineered.
> You will still adjust mail and genoa halyard tension according to conditions. 
> You will likely
> not ever require a Cunningham ever again.
> Have Fun.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> wrote:
> Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread.  New main and #1 on Koobalibra 
> C&C115 this past summer.  The difference between these and the 6 year old 
> sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm ....
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
> sam.c.sal...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension
> 
> Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded 
> me to ask a question of you racers out there: -
> 
> I don’t race - only because there’s no-one racing on our lake. Although I 
> have done a couple of Swiftsures.
> But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me!
> My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable 
> genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron 
> sails 5 seasons ago.
> I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa 
> halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the 
> same with the main too!)
> Now the question:
> Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135% 
> genoa.
> I’m assuming I don’t adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don’t 
> think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail.
> Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham adjustment 
> will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption?
> If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high 
> tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails 
> any different than the old Dacron sails?
> What new techniques do I need to absorb?
> Thanks,
> sam :-)
> C&C 26  Liquorice
> Ghost Lake  Alberta.
> 
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