FWIW, my hull no is 282 according to the mfrs data plate, no stamped number on transom, but based on other information I have (May 1974 build date inferred from sharing notes with the guy who has a serial no just one away), I believe the number would be CCY352820574 as my guess is the Rhode Island factory wasn't opened till 1976.
Any comments or corrections? Also, does anyone know about a blue 35-II that was berthed in WHITBY a few years ago? Cheers! Alex Alex Giannelia a...@airsensing.com (416) 203-9858 www.airsensing.com > Bill and Gaynor >> Mithrandir >> '74 C&C 35 MkII >> HIN: CCY352241174 >> > > > -- > Lee, it looks like you have hull # 252, Mithrandir is #224. I thought they were all built in NOL, I don't know why yours would prefix ZCC and theirs CCY...ZCC is C&C @ NOL, CCY references Calder Building Co. in Arizona. I see Dwight has just posted that there were only 147 built, so now I'm not sure. Maybe they prefixed the 35-2 hull numbers with 2 so you would have #52? I dunno. On 26 November 2013 10:15, Lee Youngblood <leeyoungbl...@earthlink.net>wrote: > Hi All, > > Just how many 35-IIs did C&C build in 1974? > I know there was something about the different codes but don't remember. > > Thanks, Lee > > Lee Youngblood > s/v Simplicity in Seattle > 1974 C&C 35-II > Hull #ZCC352520374 > > > > > Bill and Gaynor >> Mithrandir >> '74 C&C 35 MkII >> HIN: CCY352241174 >> > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If that bridge goes the zinc falls off the shaft. Also, I keep the zincs far enough away from the strut so that I have enough room to get the coupler off the gearbox and the gearbox off the engine. I had to hire a diver once to move zincs so I could get the gearbox off for some work. On 26 November 2013 09:59, Dennis C. <capt...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Right or wrong here's how I install shaft zincs on Touche'. > > > 1. Use a good brand of zinc with a copper contact. I like Camp zincs > 2. Use emery cloth to make shaft bright > 3. Apply a small amount of TefGel to the copper contact > 4. Place zinc on shaft forward of the strut. Leave 1/2 to 1 shaft > diameter space to allow water to flow into cutless bearing > 5. Tighten the zinc's fasteners evenly. > 6. Rotate shaft until one of the copper contact flats is at the bottom > 7. Whack it firmly with a hammer to set the contact against the > shaft. Note: striking upward reduces the side loading on the strut which > may break the sealant or damage the strut > 8. Rotate shaft 180 degrees and whack the other contact > 9. Tighten the fasteners again > > I usually install a second zinc immediately forward of the first and > rotated 90 degrees. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I thought > they were all built in NOL, I don't know why yours would prefix ZCC > and theirs CCY...ZCC is C&C @ NOL, CCY references Calder Building Co. > in Arizona. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131126/ab66de0a/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:25:23 -0500 From: Curtis <cpt.b...@gmail.com> To: billb...@sbcglobal.net, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for the Hull Number Lesson again Message-ID: <CALf-bNTmHWs_ye50KP_dE+bvsru+Wjr=OW2=j9om3kcpt6e...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" ZCC30675M81E What does mine tell ya? On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Bill Bina <billb...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > C&C in Canada was designated by manufacturer code CCY *U-N-T-I-L* C&C > opened a US factory in Rhode Island. From that moment on, Canadian boats > were designated ZCC, and the U.S. built boats were designated CCY. When > that iteration of the C&C company folded, the CCY designation became > available, and is now assigned to someone else. > > Bill Bina > > > On 11/26/2013 3:08 PM, Jim Watts wrote: > > Lee, it looks like you have hull # 252, Mithrandir is #224. I thought > they were all built in NOL, I don't know why yours would prefix ZCC and > theirs CCY...ZCC is C&C @ NOL, CCY references Calder Building Co. in > Arizona. > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -- ?Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.? - Nicholas Monsarrat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131126/1b2682e8/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:28:59 -0500 From: Bill Bina <billb...@sbcglobal.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Installing shaft zincs Message-ID: <5295048b.80...@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Tef Gel is even okay to use on the contacts of switch gear relays. It prevents corrosion without creating electrical resistance. I have no idea how that works, but that's what the literature says. It does sound counter-intuitive, but it's perfectly okay. Bill Bina On 11/26/2013 3:18 PM, Jim Watts wrote: > Dennis, why would you put an insulating material (Tef Gel) between the > two elements that have to have good electrical contact? Seems a little > counterintuitive to me. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:30:11 -0400 From: dwight veinot <dwight...@gmail.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Installing shaft zincs Message-ID: <CAAX9F+GzJZMvo_DNaLuTvaadX=ifjtrp0z9hqoractu3gbp...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I still wack the zincs as Dennis decribed and I use lock tite on the nuts. I use 2 zincs and from early June to early Oct this year both were used up and gone at haul out Dwight Veinot Alianna C&C 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Jim Watts <paradigmat...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dennis, why would you put an insulating material (Tef Gel) between the two > elements that have to have good electrical contact? Seems a little > counterintuitive to me. > > I stopped whacking the zincs with a hammer a few years ago and haven't had > any problems with zincs not staying on/bonded. > One extra step I do is to paint the "bridge" between the two halves of the > zinc with bottom paint so that the thinnest part of the zinc, where the > fasteners go through, is protected from attack. If that bridge goes the > zinc falls off the shaft. > Also, I keep the zincs far enough away from the strut so that I have > enough room to get the coupler off the gearbox and the gearbox off the > engine. I had to hire a diver once to move zincs so I could get the gearbox > off for some work. > > > On 26 November 2013 09:59, Dennis C. <capt...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Right or wrong here's how I install shaft zincs on Touche'. >> >> >> 1. Use a good brand of zinc with a copper contact. I like Camp zincs >> 2. Use emery cloth to make shaft bright >> 3. Apply a small amount of TefGel to the copper contact >> 4. Place zinc on shaft forward of the strut. Leave 1/2 to 1 shaft >> diameter space to allow water to flow into cutless bearing >> 5. Tighten the zinc's fasteners evenly. >> 6. Rotate shaft until one of the copper contact flats is at the bottom >> 7. Whack it firmly with a hammer to set the contact against the >> shaft. Note: striking upward reduces the side loading on the strut which >> may break the sealant or damage the strut >> 8. Rotate shaft 180 degrees and whack the other contact >> 9. Tighten the fasteners again >> >> I usually install a second zinc immediately forward of the first and >> rotated 90 degrees. >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> > > > -- > Jim Watts > Paradigm Shift > C&C 35 Mk III > Victoria, BC > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I thought they > were all built in NOL, I don't know why yours would prefix ZCC and theirs > CCY...ZCC is C&C @ NOL, CCY references Calder Building Co. in Arizona. > > I see Dwight has just posted that there were only 147 built, so now I'm > not sure. Maybe they prefixed the 35-2 hull numbers with 2 so you would > have #52? I dunno. > > > On 26 November 2013 10:15, Lee Youngblood <leeyoungbl...@earthlink.net>wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Just how many 35-IIs did C&C build in 1974? >> I know there was something about the different codes but don't remember. >> >> Thanks, Lee >> >> Lee Youngblood >> s/v Simplicity in Seattle >> 1974 C&C 35-II >> Hull #ZCC352520374 >> >> >> >> >> Bill and Gaynor >>> Mithrandir >>> '74 C&C 35 MkII >>> HIN: CCY352241174 >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> > > > > -- > Jim Watts > Paradigm Shift > C&C 35 Mk III > Victoria, BC > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think I went through this before for you (my 30mkI was hull #677), but here goes again: ZCC: C&C built in the Niagara-On-The_Lake, ONT plant 30: it?s a 30mkI 675: hull #675 M: model year format 81: model year 1981 E: built in December Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Nov 26, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Curtis <cpt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > ZCC30675M81E > What does mine tell ya? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131126/574ac7c4/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:56:12 -0500 From: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> To: "'henry evans'" <hjevans...@yahoo.com>, <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Coinjock RE: Andrew running the ditch south Message-ID: <045901ceeae9$f0b50dc0$d21f2940$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I also recommend Active Captain ? also free ? which has on line charts, notes, and updates that are only a few hours old. The charts are also interactive with your chart plotter if you connect the plotter and a wi-fi device. For Garmin plotters, I believe you need Garmin Homeport software and the Active Captain notes and updates transfer to the Garmin Blue Charts. Another alternative is the Salty Southeast Cruiser?s Net. It has current information on problems like the Great Bridge Lock closure, shoaling, etc. Also fuel prices at marinas on the ICW. Rick Brass From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of henry evans Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:16 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Coinjock RE: Andrew running the ditch south Peter, One other thought. Pick up the 2014 Waterway Guide for the ICW. I and others updated that last spring. Since then, there have been over 500 updates and those can be found on the Waterway Guide web site. If you follow the guide and read the updates on the web site, you will have the most current, up to date information available. When I send in an update say on shoaling in a cut in Georgia, it is posted on the site within 6 hours. You can't get any more current information. Web site is free. Waterway Guide is $39. Cheap insurance to save a night like you had. Cheers, Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131126/4a3432cc/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:00:29 -0500 From: Bill Bina <billb...@sbcglobal.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for the Hull Number Lesson again Message-ID: <52950bed.9070...@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Despite the never-ending confusion over how the numbering system works, no (none) 35's were ever built in Rhode Island. You would need the molds for that, and they were always in Canada. The numbering system really isn't that complicated, but people seem to go crazy trying to figure it out anyway. :-) Bill Bina On 11/26/2013 3:32 PM, dwight veinot wrote: > > Jim > > That was solved earlier, apparently the RI plant was opened in Feb > 1974 right in the middle of the 35 MKII production run: I can't > remember who but someone on this list explained that and what was > previously the NOL letters became the RI letters in the ser. no. or > something like that, so some of the 147 35 MKII's appear to have been > built in Canada and some in the US > > > Dwight Veinot > Alianna > C&C 35 MKII > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My 35 MKII hull serial number is: CCY 352420274 Dwight Veinot Alianna C&C 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Bill Bina <billb...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Despite the never-ending confusion over how the numbering system works, > no (none) 35's were ever built in Rhode Island. You would need the molds > for that, and they were always in Canada. The numbering system really isn't > that complicated, but people seem to go crazy trying to figure it out > anyway. :-) > > Bill Bina > > > On 11/26/2013 3:32 PM, dwight veinot wrote: > > Jim > > > > That was solved earlier, apparently the RI plant was opened in Feb 1974 > right in the middle of the 35 MKII production run: I can?t remember who but > someone on this list explained that and what was previously the NOL letters > became the RI letters in the ser. no. or something like that, so some of > the 147 35 MKII's appear to have been built in Canada and some in the US > > Dwight Veinot > Alianna > C&C 35 MKII > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Coleman C&C 39 animated_favicon1 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:48 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm I don't think it will ever sail as good as the MKI but there are other advantages Dwight Veinot Alianna C&C 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Robert Gallagher <trys...@gmail.com> wrote: My 30MKI had the mast raked back and the rigging on the tight side. Weather helm yes, it could be a bear. Round ups never. I could bury the rail deep and just keep plowing along. My 30MKII's rudder will stall then round up out of control with to much sail up and not enough tension on the backstay. Too much heel and it gets scary. 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