On Oct 9, 2013, at 10:57 AM, OldSteveH <oldste...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Bob I think the 34 is the same albeit more tender than the 30-1.
My observations over three similar races showed however that if wind is
15-20 true and I'm faced with a choice between #1 and #3 due to having no
#2, I will go with the #1 and implement Dennis' excellent list of
management
strategies to keep the boat on its feet.
Others here seem to be agree - reef first, change headsail last. Dennis'
list in between.
Per David K note about coach roof track - I have tracks and cars (sounds
like you just have the tracks) on coach roof for the #3.
They allow the sail to be sheeted in really well (never heard the term
blade
before - I like it) and the boat points well with this sail up. Pointing
is
not why we got smoked a few weeks ago. Like Bob refers to I was lazy and
went straight to the 3, had the best start of the fleet and then watched
everyone just blow by and walk away from us. Later on they were all
overpowered and still having the #3 up we caught up but alas too little
too
late. That's how this little experiment started and I have learned a lot
in
pushing the envelope so to speak and in reading the excellent advice on
this
list group. In two subsequent races with the #1, reefing and other
strategies we placed much better under similar conditions, even one race
where it was blowing 20 consistently. All this leaves me at the same
point
as last fall - do I invest in a #2 for next year?
Isn't money wonderful, it can solve all problems . . . ;-)
Cheers,
Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 23:57:08 -0300
From: Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C 34
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Gary:
If a C&C 30-1 goes to a #3 at 20 knts true, my 32 needs to be there as
well with a #3.....the 32 is in its comfort zone at about 15, maybe 20
deg angle, whatever sail is up....any more than 20 degs, you are not
efficient. If I were not so lazy, or so old, I would do more sail
changes. I am both, so I sail with a 135%.
Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2013/10/08 11:42 AM, Gary Nylander wrote:
No controversy. He was overpowered. 18 to 20 true is 24 to 26
apparent. A big genoa and no reef is going to set the boat on its
side, even with a shoe!
I have the stiffest C&C, a 30-1. I drop to the number 2 (about 140)
before 15 true, then reef. Then drop to the number 3 at about 20 true
(I only have one reef - we are on the Chesapeake). Over 20 degrees
with the old style keel and rudder (think fat shark) loses efficiency,
promotes round-ups and gets everybody wet.
Gary Nylander
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Abbott"
<robertabb...@eastlink.ca>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: "OldSteveH" <oldste...@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 10:28 AM
Subject: Stus-List C&C 34
Steve:
I am going to throw one at the list that should raise some
controversy. There was a C&C 34 at our club....the owner was a
coastal cruiser, felt the boat was a little tender for that purpose
so he had a 'shoe added to the keel' .
We were both in Halifax harbor....about 18 to 20 knts true and 3'
seas.....I only had my 110% Sobstad up and he had a larger headsail
(I count not be sure if it was a 135% or 150%) and his main sail.
The wind was building.....he was coming in, I was going out. When we
passed each other, he turned around to come back with me upwind.
.....his boat was overpowered......flogging his main.....rounding up
in the gusts.
I constantly pulled away from him.....he hung in for about 20 minutes
and then gave up.
I can't speak for the 34 but my boat can not carry a 150% (plus a
main) in 20 knts true.
Let the fun begin.
Bob Abbott\
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
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