Stu, Is it time to switch to something like Google Groups or Yahoo Groups? I'm not an IT guy, but it seems like it would lighten your load (after a brief but painful transition). Joel
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Stu <s...@snghost.com> wrote: > Listers > > During the past couple of days, our web hosting company was doing some > maintenance and it did affect the messages getting through. > > Looks like we are back up and running now. > > Stu > > *From:* Ronald B. Frerker <rbfrer...@yahoo.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:05 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question-Warning, a little long > winded! > > Message to Stu, > I've not been receiving many of these messages; been that way since sunday. > Didn't even get my own response to one from yesterday when I mentioned my > problem the first time. > While I'm not a ludite, I'm not real computer literate. > I've checked my spam mail folder but none there. What's my next step? > Ron > Wild Cheri > C&C 30 > STL > > > --- On *Wed, 5/29/13, djhaug...@juno.com <djhaug...@juno.com>* wrote: > > > From: djhaug...@juno.com <djhaug...@juno.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question-Warning, a little long winded! > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Date: Wednesday, May 29, 2013, 7:49 AM > > Hi Mark, > > When I decided to move up from my O'Day 22, I started looking at 27' > boats. Then at the encouragement of my wife we decided to consider even > larger boats. Then at the advice of some seasoned boaters, which was to go > as big as you feel comfortable with, started looking at even larger boats. > So, we started shopping for a boat, on and off, for probably 2 years. We > saw a lot of peoples garbage they wanted us to pay to have the privilege of > removing for them, we saw boats grossly overpriced, we looked at boats out > of our price range to see what you get for your money. We discovered you > simply cannot take anyone at their word on condition. (after all, these > people are emotionally attached to their boats and probably in denial, not > so much dishonest) In the end, we decided to go up to a 34' boat because > that was largest boat allowed at the marina where I kept the O'Day...(No we > aren't there anymore, we ended up keeping Lolita at the same marina where > we found her, we love it there!) > > What happened for me is, I became more familiar with bigger boats by, > reading about them and visiting them. I discovered things that bother my > wife and I and things that weren't such a big deal. Some things she felt > more strongly about and vice versa. > > Then, one day, after looking at about 7 or 8 boats including an O'Day 32, > a Rhodes 30, a couple of Pearsons a C&C 32, among others, we were thinking > that there were about 3 boats we could potentially be happy with. The > O'Day seemed roomy and pretty modern, the Pearsons were 2 ends of a > spectrum, one seemed more modern and the other a solid boat in good > condition with no frills. The C&C felt out of our price range, a little > over priced but, we might try negotiating with the guy... > > Then we went to look at a Viking 33 and the Rhodes 32 at the same yard. > We found the Rhodes, but couldn't get inside, it looked okay. Then we > found the Viking. I had read up on Vikings before we came and found them > to be reputable, well respected and of good construction, not to mention > the C&C design aspect. I was pretty hopeful about this boat so, I was a > little biased. > > It was pretty cool how it went; We were tired and ready to give up the > search for the day. I said "well I'm going aboard" and Karen said, "I'm > only going up the ladder if it is really worth it." > > So, I climb aboard, looked around, went below, come back out and say, "I > think you should come up." She's like, "really, is really worth it?" I > say, " I think you should come up." This went on for about 5 or six > rounds. I started walking on the deck, looking for soft spots and there > were none, it had some old electronics and I was impressed because my last > boat had none. It had wheel steering, full, almost new canvass and she did > not feel overwhelmingly big. She is pretty narrow and I think that is what > made her feel more manageable from a scale perspective. > > I said again, "I think you should come up." So, finally, she did, The > thing had peeling paint all over the place below and the head was > disgusting. But, somehow the boat was still appealing to us. Karen knew > what kind of restoration work I was capable of after the O'Day 22 > experience and was able to see past the cosmetics and agreed this was > probably the happy medium we'd been looking for, (I should mention, we both > wanted a boat that was considered fast). Well, we made an offer, did the > survey which came back great and we bought the boat. At this point I wish > I could say it was all rainbows, fair winds and beautiful sailing... > However, she was a severely neglected girl, and needed everything we knew > about, plus new sails and a new engine. It took me all spring and pretty > much the whole summer to get her launched, (needless to say, wifey was none > too happy about my having "wasted the whole summer" working on her and she > is very gun shy about it happening this year!). > > Lolita is a good, solid, and fast boat and I know her inside and out now. > She ended up costing me well over my initial budget but, in the end I think > I have the investment right around market value, maybe somewhat more than > the market would bear but, i do have brand new sails, rigging, motor, > canvass and this year, electronics! So, that would be the upgrades of a > normal used boat, (or so I like to believe!) > > I guess my point, in all this, is that searching for and buying a used > boat seems to be a process, an ever changing search for something that > seems to fit your needs. You really start to change your perspective as > you look at boats and talk to they're owners and yacht broker and begin to > really define what you're looking for. > > Old boats are an investment of time, money and emotions. Some would say I > must be nuts to put in the efforts to such an old boat, but, then we have > this pack of wing nuts who advise, encourage, compliment and give smack up > side the head once in while that help keep us all feeling sane, and > helped. I could never have accomplished all the work I did alone and you > won't have to either. There are all kinds of sources to explain processes > in fixing boats. there are all kinds of brand specific groups (none to > equal this group of course!) I think if you are prepared to do the work in > fixing all that is wrong to begin with and the proper maintenance, you'll > be a better sailor and happier person. But, thats just me! LMAO ...and > I'm not all that stable!! > > Then, you could always buy the boat that has been all updated and well > maintained, pay the market value and have the yard do all the work. Oh to > dream... > > Anyway, I hope this helped a little! It was kind of therapeutic for > me!!! LOL > > Danny > Lolita > 1973 Viking 33 > Westport Point, MA > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Russ & Melody <russ...@telus.net> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question > Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 21:29:21 -0700 > > Hi Mark, > > As you already know there is no simple answer. > > But here are the dimension for the perfect boat: Cocktails for 6 Dinner > for 4 Sleeps 2 > > Seriously, 30' is ideal for light sailing with a weekend & a bit away. > Bigger gets more toys tolerated and comfort underway (especially if you > actually go sailing if it's windy). For 20 grand your best bet is the one > that has been maintained (vs say, size weighted consideration) so to get > the best value. Good sails can be the difference in the bargain... only 3 > new cruising sails are a minimum 6 grand from the orient. > > Personally I went from a 60' cruising cutter to a 35 mk-1 and love her. > However I have a 40' motor-sailor sitting in the back yard awaiting my > semi-retirement where I can spend 4 5 months aboard, cruising the west > coast. > > Your mileage may vary. Enjoy the hunt. > > Cheers, Russ > *Sweet *35 mk-1 > > At 09:01 PM 28/05/2013, you wrote: > > I'm still looking at boats, reading emails from this list and learning > lots. Right now I'm sitting back, watching the market, looking to new > boats that come up, and trying to figure out where I want to end up. > Maybe some more experienced listers can offer some thoughts (on or off > list). > > I know that everyone has there own criteria - but I'm trying to figure out > the right boat for me. My Mirage 24 is quite small - 5ft of headroom (only > my 8 yr old can stand up), not enough space to sleep 5 (me and 4 kids), > lacks an enclosed head, no functional galley, noisy and smelly outboard. > I envision wanting to do some more sailing - little further out of the > harbour, some overnights (effectively boat camping with the kids), maybe a > long weekend away with the girlfriend. > > But we've all heard the cracks "2 best days in a boater life - the day > he/she buys their boat, and the day they sell it", or "A boat is a hole in > the water you pour money into" - not really encouraging. So, why, if they > are so terrible does everyone get 2 foot itis? > > Feel free to espouse on why did you end up with the boat you have? Do you > wish you stayed smaller/cheaper/simpler? > What would you say to yourself if you could go back and offer advice? Was > this the best decision ever? If you could make a change what do you want? > A bigger galley? Bigger cockpit? > > My temptation was to find a 29-30 foot boat that would work, thinking that > would last me for years with the kids and still be a manageable size when > they are off. Keeping costs reasonable, maintenance manageable and enough > boat to venture further afield. > > Right now I could buy a local C&C 33 (with and Atomic4), or a local C&C 30 > (diesel), or there are 29's, 30's and 34's within reach - the prices are > similar. I plan on climbing aboard a few different boats to get a feel for > size and space, but I'm trying to figure out what I'm getting into without > having to learn the painfully hard way! I'm leaning towards a diesel (only > because that seems to be common opinion and gas on my current boat has it's > downsides), wheel steering and something fairly stable (so kids and > girlfriend aren't barfing over the side -- which I gather eliminates the > 29's from the list). Price wise I'd like to stay below $20000. > > I have the cash set aside to buy the boat, but clearly bigger is not > always better, the maintenance and insidious upkeep costs can add up > quickly. I was able to do a quick sand and bottom paint on my M24 in 2.5 > hrs. Assuming the cost and workload multiply with the displacement I'm > guessing a 30ft (being twice the displacement) would be double the effort, > a 34ft 3 times the work. At what point is it more work and you wish for a > smaller/cheaper boat? > > Thanks in advance for the advice, > > Mark > > > > > > > > -- > > --------------------- > Dr. Mark Bodnar > B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) > Bedford Chiropractic > www.bedfordchiro.ca > --------------------- > > There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. > - George Santayana > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6366 - Release Date: 05/29/13 > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -- Joel 301 541 8551
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