Keith, Gennie track or toe rail loose?
Joel On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR < keith.morgenst...@navy.mil> wrote: > If we are talking about mystery leaks.....I have one coming from the > overhead near the nav desk. It's in the extreme outboard, about 1-inch > aft of the electrical panel. It drips into that little shelf. I cannot > find any leaking bolts thru the deck anywhere aft of that, and the shape > of the headliner would seem to make the electrical panel a high point - > like the continental divide. > > I honestly suspect that it's coming thru an electrical cables' sheath. > but the only wiring that "leaves the boat" back there is the stern > light, which is inside it's fixture...it's a mystery. > > -Keith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Collins [mailto:cnclistforw...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 20:25 > To: Erik Hillenmeyer; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-3 Leak > > Hi Erik > I would tighten it while in the water, it is so unlikely to result in a > bad outcome that I don't see a reason why you wouldn't try it. > > I remain baffled though as to the path the water is taking. A leak at > the keel stub to lead joint should come in at a bolt. For it to get up > under that stringer is a mystery to me (but then I have a leak into my > hanging locker that I am unable to find, so what do I know???). > > Good luck! > > Graham Collins > Secret Plans > C&C 35-III #11 > On 2013-05-22 6:24 PM, Erik Hillenmeyer wrote: > > > Keith, > > The tanks are empty, I never filled them. The water is crystal > clear (thanks to Zebra mussels) Lake Michigan water - no fuel, oil, etc. > > I am not completely convinced it isn't finding it's way to the > stringer from elsewhere, but I just can't prove it. I've removed all > the floor boards and the the thing is just bone dry everywhere except > inside that limber hole. in fact, if i stick my finger in the cutout in > the stringer for the bilge hose, which is several inches to port of the > limber hole it is dry, so it almost has to be coming from below. > > My shower pump was straight forward, hose from the shower sump > to a pump under the sink and up to a thru hull at the toe rail. I > disabled this yesterday because i installed an automatic bilge pump and > float switch to keep up with the water and the only above the water line > thru hull available was the shower drain pump - i don't use it anyway. > In off season I'll maybe add a thru hull and reattach it. > > Thanks for the input! Any opinion on tightening keel bolts in > the water - I cannot get a conclusive answer on this. Some sources say > do it and some say never. I've seen it argued on several forums, but > haven't formed my own opinion yet... > > Thanks, > > Erik > > From: "Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR" > <keith.morgenst...@navy.mil> <mailto:keith.morgenst...@navy.mil> > To: Erik Hillenmeyer <erik_hawk...@yahoo.com> > <mailto:erik_hawk...@yahoo.com> ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:51 PM > Subject: RE: Stus-List 35-3 Leak > > > Erik, > > I've been mulling over your situation. > > Here's my thoughts: > > You indicate that it seems like the water is originating from > somewhere > *inside* the stringer. We know that there are no keel bolts in > there, > nor are there any openings to the ocean there...and it's in > front of the > last keel bolt, so it seems unlikely (to me) that it's a > grounding > problem. > So...where would water come from *inside* the stringer? > > On my 35-3, they've run all the water hoses/pipes thru large > holes in > the stringers, drilled maybe 1" or so down from the top. > If one of those pipes has a weeping leak where it passes over > the > perhaps sharp edge of the hole drilled, it could seem like the > water is > originating in there. Then gravity just makes the water tanks > drip into > the bilge. > It's been a few days...at 2.5 gallons a day, your water tanks > should be > noticeably low if this was the source. To test, put two > different food > colors (or two different liquors) in the tanks, and close the > valves at > the water pump so they aren't cross-connected, then wait it out. > What > color/taste is the bilge? > > Another possibility along these lines is an extra bilge pump > pickup...on > my 35-3 there is a shower sump pump for the shower in the head. > But > somewhere along the line (maybe at the factory) they put a 3-way > valve > in, then ran a hose thru the bilge to a point between the mast > and > engine, and there is a pickup there too. (it's my "aft" bilge > pump > pickup) > If this was deranged like above (leaky hose/fitting), or if > there was > some sort of siphon being set up from the shower to the bilge > via the > overboard lines? It's a stretch...but maybe. > > -Keith Morgenstern > C&C 35-3 cb > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Hillenmeyer [mailto:erik_hawk...@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 17:03 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List 35-3 Leak > > Hello, > > Been following on here for a while but never posted. > > I have a new-to-me 1984 C&C 35 MKIII on Lake Michigan. When we > launched > six days ago I noticed a large amount of water in the bilge when > I would > go to the boat. Approximately 2.5 gallons every 24 hours. I > have > narrowed the leak down to what I assume is a hull/keel joint > issue. > > After checking all the obvious sources for this much water (thru > hull, > tanks, etc, etc) I finally noticed that all the water was coming > from a > limber hole in the stringer just forward of the aft most keel > bolt. The > water is NOTcoming out this limber hole because it's flowing > through > there from a higher point in the bilge - it's flooding up from > underneath the stringer. The bilge area aft of this stringer is > dusty > dry and I've elminated all other sources of water. > > The first thing I'm in the process of doing is installing an > automatic > bilge pump and float switch (PO never had one). > > I also plan on tightening the keel bolts as soon as I get access > to a > torque wrench and an extension that can reach the 2 feet to the > deepest > part of the sump where one of the keel bolts is located. I'm > hoping > this is some help in stopping or reducing the leak. The sailing > season > is very short here and hauling out now would cost us a big chunk > of > sailing, so I'm willing to try anything to stay in. > > I've thrown this out on some other blogs, but wanted to know if > other > C&C owners have experienced this issue or have some solutions > for > getting her through the season. > > Thanks, > > Erik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -- Joel 301 541 8551
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