Martin Sport boats have presented that problem all over North America. The hjargon seems to be "Sport Boats" vs "Lead Mines".
The ideal solution is to race the sport boats in a separate class by themselves esp in a distance race since they sail so much faster on some angles than other - particularly reaching off the wind. Unfortunately this does not always work. We have raced in a same class with a Viper 640 a few times. It is very odd to be in a class of 36 - 40 foot boats and have a dingy sailing in your midst. Often we tend to forget that he is in our class. Mike C&C 115 Koonalibra crew -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 7:53 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Calypso's epic race weekend Tom, At the risk of sharing too much below are the times out and back for R2S Class 7 and the other C&C's in the race. The combo of PHRF rating and race times may give some indication of performance but remember that there is great variation in current and conditions experienced by different sized boats when racing in Admiralty Inlet. One thing that stands out is the STYC put Melges 24s in the same class as 24,000 lb. 43 year old racer/cruisers. Difficult to rate such diverse design and build types. I did envy the J105's small headsails after 5+ hours of tacking a heavy #1 in 10 to 20 TWS. There was a time or two where we extended out into adverse current as too much short tacking the shore was wearing out the crew. Race to the Straits, 2013, class 7 (double-handed, flying sails) abridged results: Bacon Syndicate Melges 24 PHRF 99 Saturday - 5:38:12, Sunday - 3:05:41, Series - 8:43:53 1st in Class 12 Happy Thoughts Melges 24 PHRF 99 5:47:37 - 3:14:14 - 9:01:51 2nd Wildflower J 35c PHRF 105 5:23:59 - 3:44:42 - 9:08:41 3rd Last Tango J/105 PHRF 93 5:35:13 - 3:38:43 - 9:13:56 4th Lunch Box Olson 30 PHRF 99 5:46:37 - 3:28:54 - 9:15:31 5th Dulcinea J105 PHRF 93 5:32:38 - 3:45:59 - 9:18:37 6th Pegasus Soverel 33 PHRF 93 5:43:57 - 3:35:01 - 9:18:58 7th Calypso 4850 PHRF 90 DeYoung/DeHaan C&C 43 Saturday - 5:54:40, Sunday - 3:39:43, Series - 9:34:23 8th in class Carmanah 10372 PHRF 93 John & Donna C&C 43 Custom Saturday - 5:45:02, Sunday - 3:54:48, Series - 9:39:50 9th in class Cyrano J105 PHRF 93 6:05:03 - 4:22:50 - 10:27:53 10th Wholesome 30 Olson 30 PHRF 99 6:48:39 - 3:52:54 - 10:41:33 11th Other C&C's that raced: C&C 34, PHRF 150, single-handed, flying sails - Sat time: 5:56:18, Sun time: 4:18:02 C&C 41, PHRF 90, double-handed, non-flying sails - Sat time: 6:20:07, Sun time: 5:06:41 C&C 38L, PHRF 165, double-handed, non-flying sails - Sat time: 7:16:58, Sun Time: 4:34:28 C&C 29 MK2, PHRF 231, double-handed, non-flying sails - Sat time: 6:49:48, Sun Time: 4:35:34 C&C 37/40 XL PHRF 81, double-handed, flying sails - Sat time: 6:00:37, Sun time: 3:54:08 Course length each day +-30 miles Martin Calypso 1970 C&C 43 Seattle -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom B Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:04 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Calypso's epic race weekend Martin Thanks so much for sharing. Last weekend was truly amazing around here with temps in the 80's and solid 15-20 Knt winds, I can see why you had the best race ever! What were your times out and back? We got a little time put on Sunday and had a blast! Tom B Tom Buscaglia Alera, C&C 37+/40 Vashon WA > > Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 22:07:59 +0000 > From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List Calypso's epic race weekend > Message-ID: <23eae197cc1b594fa8793397ebcd357d7a2...@dmi3.dmi.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > http://www.pressure-drop.us/forums/content.php?3482-Epic-Shorthanded-R > acing > > The link goes to Pressure Drop's write up of last weekend's STYC Race to the Straits. In more than 10 years of racing Calypso including this race 4 or 5 times in the past, last weekend's race rates as the best ever. One of the things that makes this event special is all boats are single or double-handed. Competitors give extra allowance on crossings and mark rounding's in consideration of the extra time it may take to maneuver. Old school sportsmanship was in evidence both days. > > The C&C connection is Calypso (43 hull #1) raced Carmanah (43 hull #2). Carmanah won the first day, Calypso the second and the series by a few minutes. Carmanah gets bonus points as they race as a "Jack & Jill" team and gave nothing away in sail handling or boat speed. > > After 43 years these old boats showed well upwind in 15 to 20 against many of the light weight sporty boats that require weight on the rail. We also did well against the other newer C&C's from the 80's and 90's but a direct comparison is difficult as some classes were "no flying sails" and some "flying sails" C&Cs used a cruising spinnaker. Those pesky light sport boats did have an advantage gybing their asso sails compared to a double-handed dip pole gybe in 15 TWS. > > Calypso and Carmanah raced against each other when new as Arieto and Destination. The original owners spared little expense to obtain a slight advantage against the other. Both had their sterns bobbed to gain a slight IOR rating advantage in 1974. Today Carmanah has a semi-custom stern restoration that includes a swim step that will be handy when John and Donna take off on an extended cruise south beginning in several years. > > Martin > Calypso > 1970 C&C 43 > Seattle > > [cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] > > _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
