4200.

Joel Aronson
35/3
Annapolis


On Apr 12, 2013, at 9:36 PM, jmckay533 <jmckay...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Good evening. I AM HOPING TO INSTALL A NEW THROUGH HULL TRANSDUCER this
weekend. What marine sealant would you suggest?

Thank you.

John on Oxygen




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From: Brent Driedger <bren...@highspeedcrow.ca>
Date: 04-12-2013 6:58 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video


I tend to agree Dwight.
That's a gripping video and reminds me of a very similar situation I got
myself into last year minus the crushed legs. I was being too aggressive,
boats touched and although no protest came of it, I was at fault and should
have bailed when I was getting squeezed out  of the pack before the
committee boat.
On the deck after the race much discussion was held and I insisted I could
not change course for I would have rammed the committee boat but later when
the photos came out I realized I had plenty of time to abandon the start
and not look like a knob.
The point is at speed within lengths of the line and adrenaline is up with
a bunch of fast boats a nose blow apart, it's easy to make a decision that
you wished you hadn't after the fact and unfortunately the only solution to
this is experience.
On the plus side the event was educational, provided lively beer talk and
no damage was done.

Brent
27-5
Lake Winnipeg

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On 2013-04-12, at 5:25 PM, dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca>
wrote:

  Blue was close hauled with lots of power, what looks like an
uncoordinated crew and in close quarters. She was give way boat and it
looks to me like she was barging the line hell bent to get across inside of
what looks like the committee boat, and ahead and to windward of the
fleet.   If she went up hard she either had to tack away or risk ramming
what I think is the committee boat.  I can’t tell if the leeward boat had
room to fall off safely to avoid collision with blue without making a
collision with the boat below her, looks like she was being taken up too. I
heard now up now up now up now up so someone on Blue knew they were being
taken up but I don’t think the helmsman or the crew acted soon enough or
fast enough.  The helmsman’s effort to steer up seemed ineffective, not
much of a rudder on that boat if you ask me.  The mainsail trimmer
tensioned for more close hauled course and looks like the jib trimmer did
the same…seems like the crew did not know how to sail that boat under those
conditions in close quarters…they did not appear to know what to expect
from the boat and the crew…if I turned the wheel that aggressively on my 35
I feel certain she would go up, now I have to try that to find out for sure
and ruin a perfectly nice beat some day.  Haven’t raced in a while… what is
in the rule about barging



Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


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*On Behalf Of *Alan Bergen
*Sent:* April 12, 2013 6:36 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Race Video



After the preparatory signal (boats are now racing and must sail by the
racing rules) but before the starting signal, the leeward boat can sail all
the way up to head to wind.  After the starting signal, she cannot sail
higher than close hauled.  Boats must still avoid contact if at all
possible.  Crossing the starting line has no effect on how rules 11 and 14
are applied.

Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



Alan,



Does Dave Perry’s 2016 RRoS book clarify the difference, if any, between
before the start and after crossing the starting line regarding Rule 11 and
14?



It has been a while since I read Dave’s last RRoS book but I recall
something about the right-of-way boat having more flexibility before the
starting gun.



Martin

Calypso

1970 C&C 43

Seattle



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*On Behalf Of *Alan Bergen
*Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2013 11:31 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Race Video



Blue was allowed to sail her course until she was the give-way boat.  As
soon as she overlapped Camelot, she was the give-way boat, and had to keep
clear.  When a give-way boat is so close to a right-of-way boat, such that
the right-of-way boat cannot turn in either direction without immediately
touching the give-way boat, the give-way boat has violated her obligation
to keep clear.  They do not have to touch in order to prove that Blue did
not keep clear.  See Dave Perry's "Understanding The Racing Rules of
Sailing through 2016, page 96.  In addition, the right-of-way boat must
take the appropriate action to avoid hitting the give-way boat, when it
appears that the give-way boat is not going to keep clear, after which she
can protest the give-way boat.

There is no requirement for either boat to communicate with the other boat,
but it is prudent to do so.  If Camelot had called to Blue to head up, or
yelled "leeward boat" or "no room", it might have been enough to keep the
boats from colliding.  If Blue couldn't control her direction, she could
have called to Camelot to fall off, that she couldn't steer away, Camelot
might have been able to fall off and avoid the crash.  She then could have
protested Blue. Since both boats broke rules of part 2 of the Racing Rules
of Sailing (Blue-Rule 11, Same tack Overlapped; Camelot-Rule 14, Avoiding
Contact), both boats should have been penalized by retiring from the race
(Rule 44.1(b).

Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR




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