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Today's Topics:
1. C&C 24 Club Racing (ok)
2. Re: C&C 24 Club Racing (dwight veinot)
3. Orange 30 footers (Michael Brown)
4. Re: C&C 30 - Pinless Moisture Detector (Hoyt, Mike)
5. Re: C&C 30 - Pinless Moisture Detector (Stevan Plavsa)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 01:43:28 -0500
From: "ok" <orrk...@gmail.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List C&C 24 Club Racing
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Just wondering if there is anyone on the list who is doing or has done any
club racing in a C&C 24. I just started racing mine this season in a very
mixed fleet on Mobile Bay. It is the Niagara model with what I believe
was the race package or all the race rigging items were added later. It
has a fresh bottom and a new sails.
So far I have done fairly well in our pursuit style races. Unlike some of
the comments I found online, I've been able to point fairly well, even in
some cases leaving faster boats behind close hauled. In our mixed fleet I
am right in the middle of the pack or better. I've only sailed it five
times. Close hauled or a close reach things seem fine. Downwind is good.
On a beam or broad reach not so great. I'm pretty sure it could be
faster. I set up a barber hauler and that has helped with sail shape.
I've not been able to find the C&C 24 polars. I figure there is a lot to
learn about course strategy and sail trim with this particular boat. I'm
pretty much looking for any kind of pointers to help improve race results
with my C&C 24.
Thanks!
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 07:17:44 -0300
From: dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 24 Club Racing
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Sounds like you are doing pretty good with your C&C 24 and that she is
well
equipped for racing. I owned and raced a 1976 C&C 24 back in the early
'80
but mine may not have been as well equipped as yours is. It did have an
inboard Volvo penta engine but I installed a folding prop so I got no
adjustment for that engine. We did poorly at first but we got better with
experience, and I think you will get better with experience too, but after
only five times you are probably quite pleased and rightfully so. Does
your
boat have a mainsheet traveler? I found the boat to be quite tender and
the
mainsail was relatively small and the boom was quite high on the mast. We
had best results in light air upwind but she would scream under spinnaker
in
fresh air downwind. She was also very good off the wind and I can
remember
one very exciting leg in a race where we carried both the No.1 and
triradial
spinnaker on a broad to beam reach.lots of power there on that day. Our
most pleasing result ever was an opening day win in a mixed fleet that
included 2 world soling champions sailing their etchells 22's: all boats
had
fair winds for that race including us but on evening races we often did
poorly on the final leg as the wind would die out on us just after the
faster boats finished.
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
_____
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of ok
Sent: April 9, 2013 3:43 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C 24 Club Racing
Just wondering if there is anyone on the list who is doing or has done any
club racing in a C&C 24. I just started racing mine this season in a very
mixed fleet on Mobile Bay. It is the Niagara model with what I believe
was
the race package or all the race rigging items were added later. It has a
fresh bottom and a new sails.
So far I have done fairly well in our pursuit style races. Unlike some of
the comments I found online, I've been able to point fairly well, even in
some cases leaving faster boats behind close hauled. In our mixed fleet I
am right in the middle of the pack or better. I've only sailed it five
times. Close hauled or a close reach things seem fine. Downwind is good.
On a beam or broad reach not so great. I'm pretty sure it could be
faster.
I set up a barber hauler and that has helped with sail shape. I've not
been
able to find the C&C 24 polars. I figure there is a lot to learn about
course strategy and sail trim with this particular boat. I'm pretty much
looking for any kind of pointers to help improve race results with my C&C
24.
Thanks!
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 07:44:01 -0400
From: "Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Orange 30 footers
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Dave Heron of PCYC was reported to own an orange hulled C&C 30
called Sunburn. That boat won the 1979 Susan Hood race. Later
Dave purchased a white hulled C&C 30 he named Windburn.
Mike Brown
C&C 30
Windburn
I only recall one orange sailboat. A late 70's Peterson 43 known as "La
Pantera" that I crewed on when it was named "Sunset" here in the Seattle
area.
In the PNW there have been many white, red, and blue C&C's but I don't
recall any other colors.
I think it was Herreshoff that said (aprox) "There are only two colors for
boats, white and black, and only a damned fool would have a black one".
Why the interest in an orange Mk I?
Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle
________________________________________
From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Paul Baker
[pauljba...@shaw.ca]
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 7:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Orange 30 footers
Just out of interest, has anyone seen (or own) an orange 30' Mk1? If
only I could find one for sale...
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:45:12 -0300
From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
To: "Don Harben" <sailadventu...@rogers.com>, <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - Pinless Moisture Detector
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Don
I asked on the Canadian Tire website a similar question about that
product a few months ago. They finally answered and say it is similar
to CT33 because it ises a similar inductance method. At half price at
$45 I think it is worth a try anyway.
You should also be aware that these meters are not all that easy to use.
I borrowed Graham's Electrophysics meter (CT100 I believe) and within 10
minutes realized I had no clue how to use it properly.
Mike
________________________________
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Don
Harben
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 9:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - Pinless Moisture Detector
Hi folks,
This has been a very useful discussion for me but especially for my
friend currently looking at boats.
Does anybody have comments or experience on this Pinless Moisture
Detector?
http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/6/Tools/MeasuringTools/SpecialtyMe
asuring/PRD~0574572P/Mastercraft+Pinless+Moisture+Detector.jsp?locale=en
Don
________________________________
From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 2:02:56 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer
RE: Moisture Meter
The one I have is the CT33:
http://www.electrophysics.on.ca/no_pins.htm
It does not eliminate the need for a survey. It just eliminates
wet boats saving you from hiring a surveyor to tell you that.
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:01 AM, dwight veinot
<dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
My experience has always been that the buyer hires the
surveyor that he wants to do the job and therefore the buyer pays the
survey charges. That survey is only done after the buyer and the seller
have agreed on price. If the survey discovers issues that affect
integrity or safety the buyer can request that the seller bring those
issues to standards acceptable to his surveyor and then pay the agreed
upon price or negotiate a lower price and take on doing the work after
purchase. If the boat passes survey the survey report will be needed to
get insurance. If the boat fails survey and no compromise can be
reached and the buyer walks, then the buyer is still stuck with the
survey charges because the surveyor did his job. Is it possible to get
that money back from the seller if you walk away? I always considered
getting a survey done on a boat a fair investment on that boat before I
even own it so I did very thorough inspections myself before getting a
surveyor, besides I wanted to see with my own I eyes what I was
buying...those trips and surveys increase total cost to buy.
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
________________________________
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
Behalf Of Chuck S
Sent: April 7, 2013 10:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an
offer
Lots of good advice.
Insurance now requires a full survey that is expensive.
If you decide not to buy this boat, the full survey cost is on you and
you will pay the fee again on the next boat. Instead I would advise you
make your offer, get a signed contract, but do a personal assessment of
the boat yourself or with more knowledgable friend.
Step 1: Sea Trial, You can determine many physical
problems yourself. How does the engine and transmission operate, sails,
halyards, deck layout. Lifelines and stanchions OK? Don't fall in
love. Pick it apart. If nothing looks obvious, proceed to:
Step 2: Haul out. You can check many things yourself;
the bottom paint condition, check keel bottom for scrapes, grounding,
check the keel root for signs of cracked glass where it meets the hull,
feel the rudder bearing play, and prop wear, cutless bearing wear. If
still good, proceed to:
Step 3: Professional survey. Guarantee he will find
problems, so expect a list.
Once you get your list you can research what yards will
charge to make repairs and deduct that from your offer or renegotiate.
If you decide to walk away, offer to sell the complete
survey to the owner. I've heard some owners have paid for it, some only
paid half. It's worthless to you at this point, but will be valuable to
a future buyer, so don't give it away.
Good luck
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
________________________________
From: "kirk sneddon" <kirksned...@optonline.net>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "k sneddon" <k.sned...@ardeinc.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 8:31:34 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an
offer
When I bought my C&C, and sold my old boat the surveyor
hired by the buyer
was very good.
I believe he was based in Port Washington.
I think I have his contact info at my office.
If the boat is closer to the east end of LI, Andrew
Kinsey, is very good. I
grew up racing Lasers and Sunfish against Andrew
(usually loosing) I can
chase down current contact info for him if it would be
helpful.
Let me know where on LI the boat is docked and I can get
you some contact
info.
Kirk Sneddon
C&C 29 Mk II , Flying Cloud
-----Original Message-----
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
Behalf Of Dr. Mark
Bodnar
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 6:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an
offer
That's pretty much what I'm thinking - I'll make an
offer, if something big
comes up and they don't want to fix it then I'll move
on.
Any one know a good surveyor on Long Island? What about
cost for a survey
for a 30' boat - inc rigging and engine?
Boat is currently in the water, so I'll likely have to
get it pulled out to
see the bottom and keel as well. Not sure if the
brokers yard will charge
me for that or if they do it to get the sale??
Mark
---------------------
Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca <http://www.bedfordchiro.ca/>
---------------------
There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the
interval.
- George Santayana
On 07/04/2013 5:13 PM, dwight veinot wrote:
> The boat is worth what you are willing to pay for
it...if you get it
> at your offer price great, if not look for something
else
>
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of
> Colin Kilgour
> Sent: April 7, 2013 5:03 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an
offer
>
> In the states, everybody uses the YBAA form for
offers. The selling
> broker can provide the form.
>
> Putting a survey as a condition is bog standard. I've
had it included
> on boats where I didn't even end up doing a survey.
>
> I wouldn't expect a ton of movement on price as a
result of a survey.
> With a boat of that age and price point, if the
survey turns up
> something minor you might get some movement, but you
might also get
> "it's an old boat. deal with it". If a major item
turns up (say a
> wet deck) it probably just means that you walk away.
>
> Good luck with it.
>
> Cheers!
> Colin
>
>
> On 4/7/13, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Typically you make your offer contingent on survey.
That can be as
> detailed
>> as you like; hull survey, engine survey, and you can
add sea trials
>> to
> test
>> systems. You are making the offer. If the owner
accepts your offer,
>> the
> full
>> price would be expected unless the survey finds
things wrong. Once
> problems
>> are discovered, the owner can opt to fix them which
is rare, or you
>> can lower your offer to offset the cost of repairs.
Your survey
>> should help lower the offer to a "where-is, as-is"
value cause the
>> owner doesn't want
> to
>> fix anything and wants out.
>>
>> Be prepared for rejection. Make your offer low. If
the owner accepts
>> the first offer, you came in high. Research other
vessels w similar
>> equipment first. There are many 30's for sale on
Yachtworld.com and
>> there are other sites.
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Atlantic City, NJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Knowles Rich" <r...@sailpower.ca>
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 3:11:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an
offer
>>
>> Just make your offer, get the survey done and
negotiate the repairs
after.
>> If you want to sit down over a coffee to discuss it,
we can do that too.
>> Sender a phone number off list if you like. It's
Sunday and I have
>> some time.
>>
>> Rich Knowles
>> Indigo. LF38
>> Halifax
>>
>> On 2013-04-07, at 14:06, "Dr. Mark Bodnar"
<drbod...@accesswave.ca>
wrote:
>>
>>
>> So I'm "negotiating" with the broker of the C&C 30
I've been looking at.
> (He
>> was away on vacation).
>>
>> I brought up a few issues with the boat and his
response was "older
>> boats have these issues, maybe you should look for a
newer boat" --
>> Rather friendly chap it seems!
>>
>> I'm still looking at how to proceed. Overall the
price of the boat is
> quite
>> good, with a few issues. Most issues cosmetic - but a
couple
>> potentially significant problems --- 1 chain plate
looks a little
>> corroded, and one section of deck that looks rough in
the pictures
>> (my contact who looked at the boat said it didn't
feel soft, but he
>> didn't try to tap it - starboard deck, right next to
companionway)
>>
>> Having talked with my insurance agent I was advised
that I would need
>> to have the boat professional surveyed and all
significant issues
>> dealt with before it leaves the dock to head to Nova
Scotia.
>>
>> So - I've never done this part before. If I make an
offer contingent
>> on a survey, is there specific wording. Does anyone
have a "contract" in
hand?
>> Any advice?
>> I figure I'll make an offer of $14000, contingent on
survey, but what
> should
>> I say about repairs?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---------------------
>> Dr. Mark Bodnar
>> B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
>> Bedford Chiropractic
>> www.bedfordchiro.ca <http://www.bedfordchiro.ca/>
>> ---------------------
>>
>> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy
the interval.
>> - George Santayana
>>
>>
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:47:21 -0400
From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - Pinless Moisture Detector
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I never had any trouble using mine, what people deem so difficult about
using them I'm not sure. The mastercraft one is a quarter of the cost, go
ahead and try it and report back. I'de be curious to see how it measures
up
against the CT33.
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> wrote:
**
Don
I asked on the Canadian Tire website a similar question about that
product
a few months ago. They finally answered and say it is similar to CT33
because it ises a similar inductance method. At half price at $45 I
think
it is worth a try anyway.
You should also be aware that these meters are not all that easy to use.
I borrowed Graham's Electrophysics meter (CT100 I believe) and within 10
minutes realized I had no clue how to use it properly.
Mike
------------------------------
*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of
*Don
Harben
*Sent:* Monday, April 08, 2013 9:31 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - Pinless Moisture Detector
Hi folks,
This has been a very useful discussion for me but especially for my
friend
currently looking at boats.
Does anybody have comments or experience on this Pinless Moisture
Detector?
http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/6/Tools/MeasuringTools/SpecialtyMeasuring/PRD~0574572P/Mastercraft+Pinless+Moisture+Detector.jsp?locale=en
* Don*
------------------------------
*From:* Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Sent:* Monday, April 8, 2013 2:02:56 PM
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer
RE: Moisture Meter
The one I have is the CT33:
http://www.electrophysics.on.ca/no_pins.htm
It does not eliminate the need for a survey. It just eliminates wet boats
saving you from hiring a surveyor to tell you that.
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:01 AM, dwight veinot <
dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
********
My experience has always been that the buyer hires the surveyor that he
wants to do the job and therefore the buyer pays the survey charges.
That
survey is only done after the buyer and the seller have agreed on price.
If the survey discovers issues that affect integrity or safety the buyer
can request that the seller bring those issues to standards acceptable to
his surveyor and then pay the agreed upon price or negotiate a lower
price
and take on doing the work after purchase. If the boat passes survey the
survey report will be needed to get insurance. If the boat fails survey
and no compromise can be reached and the buyer walks, then the buyer is
still stuck with the survey charges because the surveyor did his job. Is
it possible to get that money back from the seller if you walk away? I
always considered getting a survey done on a boat a fair investment on
that
boat before I even own it so I did very thorough inspections myself
before
getting a surveyor, besides I wanted to see with my own I eyes what I was
buying?those trips and surveys increase total cost to buy. ****
****
Dwight Veinot****
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna****
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS****
****
------------------------------
*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of
*Chuck
S
*Sent:* April 7, 2013 10:12 PM
*To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer
****
****
Lots of good advice.
Insurance now requires a full survey that is expensive. If you decide
not
to buy this boat, the full survey cost is on you and you will pay the fee
again on the next boat. Instead I would advise you make your offer, get
a
signed contract, but do a personal assessment of the boat yourself or
with
more knowledgable friend.
Step 1: Sea Trial, You can determine many physical problems yourself.
How
does the engine and transmission operate, sails, halyards, deck layout.
Lifelines and stanchions OK? Don't fall in love. Pick it apart. If
nothing looks obvious, proceed to:
Step 2: Haul out. You can check many things yourself; the bottom paint
condition, check keel bottom for scrapes, grounding, check the keel root
for signs of cracked glass where it meets the hull, feel the rudder
bearing
play, and prop wear, cutless bearing wear. If still good, proceed to:
Step 3: Professional survey. Guarantee he will find problems, so expect
a
list.
Once you get your list you can research what yards will charge to make
repairs and deduct that from your offer or renegotiate.
If you decide to walk away, offer to sell the complete survey to the
owner. I've heard some owners have paid for it, some only paid half.
It's
worthless to you at this point, but will be valuable to a future buyer,
so
don't give it away.
Good luck ****
Chuck
*Resolute*
1990 C&C 34R
****Atlantic City**, **NJ********
------------------------------
*From: *"kirk sneddon" <kirksned...@optonline.net>
*To: ***cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
*Cc: *"k sneddon" <k.sned...@ardeinc.com>
*Sent: *Sunday, April 7, 2013 8:31:34 PM
*Subject: *Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer
When I bought my C&C, and sold my old boat the surveyor hired by the
buyer
was very good.
I believe he was based in **Port Washington**.
I think I have his contact info at my office.
If the boat is closer to the east end of LI, Andrew Kinsey, is very good.
I
grew up racing Lasers and Sunfish against Andrew (usually loosing) I can
chase down current contact info for him if it would be helpful.
Let me know where on LI the boat is docked and I can get you some contact
info.
Kirk Sneddon
C&C 29 Mk II , Flying Cloud
-----Original Message-----
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr.
Mark
Bodnar
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 6:02 PM
To: **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer
That's pretty much what I'm thinking - I'll make an offer, if something
big
comes up and they don't want to fix it then I'll move on.
Any one know a good surveyor on **Long Island**? What about cost for a
survey
for a 30' boat - inc rigging and engine?
Boat is currently in the water, so I'll likely have to get it pulled out
to
see the bottom and keel as well. Not sure if the brokers yard will
charge
me for that or if they do it to get the sale??
Mark
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Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
****Bedford**** Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
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There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
- George Santayana
On 07/04/2013 5:13 PM, dwight veinot wrote:
> The boat is worth what you are willing to pay for it...if you get it
> at your offer price great, if not look for something else
>
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> Colin Kilgour
> Sent: April 7, 2013 5:03 PM
> To: **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer
>
> In the states, everybody uses the YBAA form for offers. The selling
> broker can provide the form.
>
> Putting a survey as a condition is bog standard. I've had it included
> on boats where I didn't even end up doing a survey.
>
> I wouldn't expect a ton of movement on price as a result of a survey.
> With a boat of that age and price point, if the survey turns up
> something minor you might get some movement, but you might also get
> "it's an old boat. deal with it". If a major item turns up (say a
> wet deck) it probably just means that you walk away.
>
> Good luck with it.
>
> Cheers!
> Colin
>
>
> On 4/7/13, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Typically you make your offer contingent on survey. That can be as
> detailed
>> as you like; hull survey, engine survey, and you can add sea trials
>> to
> test
>> systems. You are making the offer. If the owner accepts your offer,
>> the
> full
>> price would be expected unless the survey finds things wrong. Once
> problems
>> are discovered, the owner can opt to fix them which is rare, or you
>> can lower your offer to offset the cost of repairs. Your survey
>> should help lower the offer to a "where-is, as-is" value cause the
>> owner doesn't want
> to
>> fix anything and wants out.
>>
>> Be prepared for rejection. Make your offer low. If the owner accepts
>> the first offer, you came in high. Research other vessels w similar
>> equipment first. There are many 30's for sale on Yachtworld.com and
>> there are other sites.
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> ****Atlantic City**, **NJ****
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Knowles Rich" <r...@sailpower.ca>
>> To: **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
>> Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 3:11:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer
>>
>> Just make your offer, get the survey done and negotiate the repairs
after.
>> If you want to sit down over a coffee to discuss it, we can do that
>> too.
>> Sender a phone number off list if you like. It's Sunday and I have
>> some time.
>>
>> Rich Knowles
>> Indigo. LF38
>> ****Halifax****
>>
>> On 2013-04-07, at 14:06, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca>
wrote:
>>
>>
>> So I'm "negotiating" with the broker of the C&C 30 I've been looking
>> at.
> (He
>> was away on vacation).
>>
>> I brought up a few issues with the boat and his response was "older
>> boats have these issues, maybe you should look for a newer boat" --
>> Rather friendly chap it seems!
>>
>> I'm still looking at how to proceed. Overall the price of the boat is
> quite
>> good, with a few issues. Most issues cosmetic - but a couple
>> potentially significant problems --- 1 chain plate looks a little
>> corroded, and one section of deck that looks rough in the pictures
>> (my contact who looked at the boat said it didn't feel soft, but he
>> didn't try to tap it - starboard deck, right next to companionway)
>>
>> Having talked with my insurance agent I was advised that I would need
>> to have the boat professional surveyed and all significant issues
>> dealt with before it leaves the dock to head to ****Nova Scotia****.
>>
>> So - I've never done this part before. If I make an offer contingent
>> on a survey, is there specific wording. Does anyone have a "contract"
>> in
hand?
>> Any advice?
>> I figure I'll make an offer of $14000, contingent on survey, but what
> should
>> I say about repairs?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---------------------
>> Dr. Mark Bodnar
>> ****B.Sc.**, **D.C.****, FCCOPR(C)
>> ****Bedford**** Chiropractic
>> www.bedfordchiro.ca
>> ---------------------
>>
>> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
>> - George Santayana
>>
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