Roger Shaw was the guy who did the Viking mod and he is no longer with us, so 
can't ask how much but he had Mars do the job after he and his crew using 
railway jacks in a big hangar, removed the swept back one.

Mike Robbins has a custom Goetz built cold moulded boat and he melted down a 
bunch of batteries about 500 lbs into a mould which was an extension of his 
tapered high aspect foil and then I think bolted it on and epoxied the holes.  
Because he and his dad homebuilt boats in collaboration with Steve Killing, he 
might have gotten advice there...

ALEX GIANNELIA

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Today's Topics:

   1.  Adding Keel Shoes (Alex Giannelia)
   2. Re:  Mystic Rendezvous Photos - Now Code Flags and Burgees
      (Indigo)
   3. Re:  Mystic Rendezvous Photos - Now Code Flags and Burgees
      (Pat Nevitt)
   4. Re:  Adding Keel Shoes (djhaug...@juno.com)
   5. Re:  Adding Keel Shoes (Rich Knowles)
   6. Re:  Adding Keel Shoes (djhaug...@juno.com)
   7. Re:  Adding Keel Shoes (Ron Casciato)
   8. Re:  Adding Keel Shoes (David Risch)
   9. Re:  Mystic Rendezvous Photos - Now Code Flags and Burgees
      (David Risch)
  10.  Andrews 28 (Hoyt, Mike)
  11. Re:  Mystic Rendezvous Photos - Now Code Flags and Burgees
      (Wally Bryant)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:44:08 -0400
From: Alex Giannelia <a...@airsensing.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List Adding Keel Shoes
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Fred,

Thanks for that info.  I have been researching the issue of keel/rudder shape 
for quite some time and no conclusive answers. Some feel the elliptical ends 
are best (mainly for rudders) and there is another body of thought that the 
bottoms should be squared off.  If aerodynamics and hydrodynamics were a real 
science, they would all look the same.

I noticed the pre-Rob Ball designs had rounded bottom edges and the post 1980 
designs had flat shoes.

One now deceased sailor at our club in fact took his original swept back Viking 
33 keel off, sent it to Mars and had it reshaped to look like the Rob Ball 
designs and got great pointing as a result.

Another guy at another club simply melted old batteries and extended the keel 
as you did.


Alex:

I was fortunately able to get a drawing of the shoe from Rob Ball that extended 
the existing keel in all aspects.  Once it was faired in you could not tell it 
did not come from the factory like that.

As I recall the bottom of the keel was flat.

Fred




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:07:50 -0400
From: "Indigo" <ind...@thethomsons.us>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystic Rendezvous Photos - Now Code Flags and
        Burgees
Message-ID: <030117E1BC624CAE808A540BE5903070@JTDesktop>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Edd, I believe that you are correct in saying that the use of code flags to
dress ship is just a celebration. However, I caution that a "random"
arrangement could be dangerous - after all each flag represents a letter or
number and you could end up spelling out something unintentionally!!  Our
Club (which I believe got its flag etiquette from New York Yacht Club)
recommends a specific sequence.



As far as burgees are concerned, the skipper should fly the burgee of
primary allegiance, or if a member of several clubs, the burgee of the club
whose home waters he is in. (At PYC we are very traditional (some say "stuck
up"!!) and fly our burgees at the masthead on pig-sticks (I think they got
that name 'cos they are a pig to get up and down!) USPS says you should not
fly more than one burgee at a time.



Jonathan

Indigo - 35MKIII

Southport (soon to be on the hard in Milford)







  _____

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Edd Schillay
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:54 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystic Rendezvous Photos



Danny,



            Glad to hear you like the graphics!



            As I understand it, the random letter code flags is just a
celebration of all things nautical. On the Enterprise, we flew the American
Flag (always on top), the Morris Yacht and Beach Club burgee (my club,) the
Fleet Captain flag (I am the FC at MYBC) and a C&C burgee which I purchased
from Stu.



            But don't worry. I often say "I don't know" to my wife too.





                All the best,



                Edd





                Edd M. Schillay

                Starship Enterprise

                C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

                City Island, NY

                Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
<http://ncc1701a.blogspot.com/>  Website





On Sep 26, 2012, at 10:33 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:





wow, great photos...I'm feeling quite disappointed for not having gone.  I
did get to go sailing on Sunday so I was there in spirit.  Given all the
issues I had to contend with I just couldn't plan on anything.  Next
year...!



I love the Graphics on Enterprise!



There are some really nice boats that showed up.



I do have a question;  For those of you that fly a bunch of burgees (if
thats the correct term), what is the significance?  My wife always asks and
I always have to say "I don't know."



Danny

Lolita

1973 Viking 33

South Coast, MA


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To: "C&C Email List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List Mystic Rendezvous Photos
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:43:43 -0400



Rob Gallagher has posted some great photos of the rendezvous at:



https://plus.google.com/photos/111441832096552932716/albums/5792114956547005
585/5792114978515809538?authkey=CLWWvti55dyMUQ



Thanx for sharing Rob



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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:28:35 -0400
From: Pat Nevitt <pnev...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystic Rendezvous Photos - Now Code Flags and
        Burgees
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The procedure for "dressing" US Navy ships is very specific.

To "full-dress" a ship, in addition to the large ensign at the stern, the
jack, and an additional ensign at each masthead, a "rainbow" of signal
flags and pennants arrayed from stem to stern, strung from the base of the
jackstaff over the masts and then down to the base of the flagstaff. Ships
that have no masts or an unsual mast configuration do the best they can to
approximate the same effect. In the days of sail, a ship full-dressed by
hanging every bit of bunting in its flag locker between the bowsprit and
the mastheads, and down the shrouds and signal halyards (see the Sea Flags
banner at the top of this page). This display usually included foreign
ensigns, jacks, and admirals flags--everything the ship had on board.
Nowadays, only signal flags are used, and the sequence in which they are
displayed* is precisely prescribed by directive--*in the case of the U.S.
Navy by NTP-13(B), *Flags, Pennants and Customs.* This guarantees a uniform
appearance and ensures that no offensive or inappropriate messages are
inadvertently (or mischievously) embedded in the display.

Pat Nevitt
*Patriot*
C&C 29 MKII
Galesville, MD


On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Indigo <ind...@thethomsons.us> wrote:

>  Edd, I believe that you are correct in saying that the use of code flags
> to dress ship is just a celebration. However, I caution that a ?random?
> arrangement could be dangerous ? after all each flag represents a letter or
> number and you could end up spelling out something unintentionally!!  Our
> Club (which I believe got its flag etiquette from New York Yacht Club)
> recommends a specific sequence.
>
>
>
> As far as burgees are concerned, the skipper should fly the burgee of
> primary allegiance, or if a member of several clubs, the burgee of the club
> whose home waters he is in. (At PYC we are very traditional (some say
> ?stuck up?!!) and fly our burgees at the masthead on pig-sticks (I think
> they got that name ?cos they are a pig to get up and down!) USPS says you
> should not fly more than one burgee at a time.
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
> Indigo ? 35MKIII
>
> Southport (soon to be on the hard in Milford)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:
> cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Edd Schillay
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:54 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Mystic Rendezvous Photos
>
>
>
> Danny,
>
>
>
>             Glad to hear you like the graphics!
>
>
>
>             As I understand it, the random letter code flags is just a
> celebration of all things nautical. On the Enterprise, we flew the American
> Flag (always on top), the Morris Yacht and Beach Club burgee (my club,) the
> Fleet Captain flag (I am the FC at MYBC) and a C&C burgee which I purchased
> from Stu.
>
>
>
>             But don't worry. I often say "I don't know" to my wife too.
>
>
>
>
>
>                 All the best,
>
>
>
>                 Edd
>
>
>
>
>
>                 Edd M. Schillay
>
>                 Starship Enterprise
>
>                 C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>
>                 City Island, NY
>
>                 Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
> Website<http://ncc1701a.blogspot.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 26, 2012, at 10:33 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:
>
>
>
>  wow, great photos...I'm feeling quite disappointed for not having gone.
>  I did get to go sailing on Sunday so I was there in spirit.  Given all the
> issues I had to contend with I just couldn't plan on anything.  Next
> year...!
>
>
>
> I love the Graphics on Enterprise!
>
>
>
> There are some really nice boats that showed up.
>
>
>
> I do have a question;  For those of you that fly a bunch of burgees (if
> thats the correct term), what is the significance?  My wife always asks and
> I always have to say "I don't know."
>
>
>
> Danny
>
> Lolita
>
> 1973 Viking 33
>
> South Coast, MA
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "Stu" <s...@cncphotoalbum.com>
> To: "C&C Email List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Stus-List Mystic Rendezvous Photos
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:43:43 -0400
>
>
>
> Rob Gallagher has posted some great photos of the rendezvous at:
>
>
>
>
> https://plus.google.com/photos/111441832096552932716/albums/5792114956547005585/5792114978515809538?authkey=CLWWvti55dyMUQ
>
>
>
> Thanx for sharing Rob
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:28:45 GMT
From: "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding Keel Shoes
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Wow,

How did he pay to have his keel reshaped?  did they melt it and remold it?

NO, I'm not considering it!  LOL

But...

Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
South Coast, MA


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Alex Giannelia <a...@airsensing.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List Adding Keel Shoes
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:44:08 -0400

Fred,

Thanks for that info.  I have been researching the issue of keel/rudder shape 
for quite some time and no conclusive answers. Some feel the elliptical ends 
are best (mainly for rudders) and there is another body of thought that the 
bottoms should be squared off.  If aerodynamics and hydrodynamics were a real 
science, they would all look the same.

I noticed the pre-Rob Ball designs had rounded bottom edges and the post 1980 
designs had flat shoes.

One now deceased sailor at our club in fact took his original swept back Viking 
33 keel off, sent it to Mars and had it reshaped to look like the Rob Ball 
designs and got great pointing as a result.

Another guy at another club simply melted old batteries and extended the keel 
as you did.


Alex:

I was fortunately able to get a drawing of the shoe from Rob Ball that extended 
the existing keel in all aspects.  Once it was faired in you could not tell it 
did not come from the factory like that.

As I recall the bottom of the keel was flat.

Fred


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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:57:24 -0300
From: Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding Keel Shoes
Message-ID: <07e5c633-1230-4f6e-a2af-e49fcd20f...@sailpower.ca>
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Danny: it's a boat. You pay to have everything done unless you do it yourself.

Then you pay twice.

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2012-09-27, at 17:28, "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com> wrote:

Wow,

How did he pay to have his keel reshaped?  did they melt it and remold it?

NO, I'm not considering it!  LOL

But...

Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
South Coast, MA


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Alex Giannelia <a...@airsensing.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List Adding Keel Shoes
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:44:08 -0400

Fred,

Thanks for that info.  I have been researching the issue of keel/rudder shape 
for quite some time and no conclusive answers. Some feel the elliptical ends 
are best (mainly for rudders) and there is another body of thought that the 
bottoms should be squared off.  If aerodynamics and hydrodynamics were a real 
science, they would all look the same.

I noticed the pre-Rob Ball designs had rounded bottom edges and the post 1980 
designs had flat shoes.

One now deceased sailor at our club in fact took his original swept back Viking 
33 keel off, sent it to Mars and had it reshaped to look like the Rob Ball 
designs and got great pointing as a result.

Another guy at another club simply melted old batteries and extended the keel 
as you did.


Alex:

I was fortunately able to get a drawing of the shoe from Rob Ball that extended 
the existing keel in all aspects.  Once it was faired in you could not tell it 
did not come from the factory like that.

As I recall the bottom of the keel was flat.

Fred


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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:10:20 GMT
From: "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding Keel Shoes
Message-ID: <20120927.141020.2405...@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Rich,

you said it!  LOL  I think twice is the bargain rate of doing it yourself!

The question should have read;  "How MUCH did he pay..."

Danny

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding Keel Shoes
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:57:24 -0300

Danny: it's a boat. You pay to have everything done unless you do it yourself.

Then you pay twice.

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2012-09-27, at 17:28, "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com> wrote:

Wow,

How did he pay to have his keel reshaped?  did they melt it and remold it?

NO, I'm not considering it!  LOL

But...

Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
South Coast, MA


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Alex Giannelia <a...@airsensing.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List Adding Keel Shoes
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:44:08 -0400

Fred,

Thanks for that info.  I have been researching the issue of keel/rudder shape 
for quite some time and no conclusive answers. Some feel the elliptical ends 
are best (mainly for rudders) and there is another body of thought that the 
bottoms should be squared off.  If aerodynamics and hydrodynamics were a real 
science, they would all look the same.

I noticed the pre-Rob Ball designs had rounded bottom edges and the post 1980 
designs had flat shoes.

One now deceased sailor at our club in fact took his original swept back Viking 
33 keel off, sent it to Mars and had it reshaped to look like the Rob Ball 
designs and got great pointing as a result.

Another guy at another club simply melted old batteries and extended the keel 
as you did.


Alex:

I was fortunately able to get a drawing of the shoe from Rob Ball that extended 
the existing keel in all aspects.  Once it was faired in you could not tell it 
did not come from the factory like that.

As I recall the bottom of the keel was flat.

Fred


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:24:35 -0400
From: "Ron Casciato" <rjcasci...@comcast.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding Keel Shoes
Message-ID: <F8BD509FE006499CB20267E5B5F5711D@Aspire7736Z>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"

Alex, I'm pretty sure that Rob Ball was the responsible designer pre-1980 as
well.........

-----Original Message-----
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Alex Giannelia
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Adding Keel Shoes

Fred,

Thanks for that info.  I have been researching the issue of keel/rudder
shape for quite some time and no conclusive answers. Some feel the
elliptical ends are best (mainly for rudders) and there is another body of
thought that the bottoms should be squared off.  If aerodynamics and
hydrodynamics were a real science, they would all look the same.

I noticed the pre-Rob Ball designs had rounded bottom edges and the post
1980 designs had flat shoes.

One now deceased sailor at our club in fact took his original swept back
Viking 33 keel off, sent it to Mars and had it reshaped to look like the Rob
Ball designs and got great pointing as a result.

Another guy at another club simply melted old batteries and extended the
keel as you did.


Alex:

I was fortunately able to get a drawing of the shoe from Rob Ball that
extended the existing keel in all aspects.  Once it was faired in you could
not tell it did not come from the factory like that.

As I recall the bottom of the keel was flat.

Fred


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:03:22 -0400
From: David Risch <davidrisc...@msn.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding Keel Shoes
Message-ID: <blu168-w7007732a153b43a62dfe9bda...@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


Rob was head of design 1974-1994.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
1981 40-2

> From: rjcasci...@comcast.net
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:24:35 -0400
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding Keel Shoes
>
> Alex, I'm pretty sure that Rob Ball was the responsible designer pre-1980 as
> well.........
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> On Behalf Of Alex Giannelia
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:44 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Adding Keel Shoes
>
> Fred,
>
> Thanks for that info.  I have been researching the issue of keel/rudder
> shape for quite some time and no conclusive answers. Some feel the
> elliptical ends are best (mainly for rudders) and there is another body of
> thought that the bottoms should be squared off.  If aerodynamics and
> hydrodynamics were a real science, they would all look the same.
>
> I noticed the pre-Rob Ball designs had rounded bottom edges and the post
> 1980 designs had flat shoes.
>
> One now deceased sailor at our club in fact took his original swept back
> Viking 33 keel off, sent it to Mars and had it reshaped to look like the Rob
> Ball designs and got great pointing as a result.
>
> Another guy at another club simply melted old batteries and extended the
> keel as you did.
>
>
> Alex:
>
> I was fortunately able to get a drawing of the shoe from Rob Ball that
> extended the existing keel in all aspects.  Once it was faired in you could
> not tell it did not come from the factory like that.
>
> As I recall the bottom of the keel was flat.
>
> Fred
>
>
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:13:49 -0400
From: David Risch <davidrisc...@msn.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystic Rendezvous Photos - Now Code Flags and
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Corsair, an attendee of the Rendezvous, dressed ship conveniently (random order 
of flags).  There are times when getting it right needs to take a back to other 
priorities...in this case getting Welcome Envelopes to arriving skippers.

My yacht club burgee always flies from the starboard spreader.  I tried the pig 
stick method but quite frankly it was the only external halyard on the mast and 
looked like crap.   In addition getting it up and down the mast was a PIA...all 
the while beating the paint on the mast up yonder.   So, belonging to one of 
the oldest clubs in the country, I had a bit of a discussion with our 
Commodore, who, with many other modern boat owners also chiming in, bent 
tradition and allow(ed) us to fly it from the starboard spreader.  This is the 
one time I pushed back on yacht club tradition, and I have not looked back.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
Corsair, 1981 40-2


Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:28:35 -0400
From: pnev...@gmail.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystic Rendezvous Photos - Now Code Flags and Burgees

The procedure for "dressing" US Navy ships is very specific.

To "full-dress" a ship, in addition to the large ensign at the stern,
the jack, and an additional ensign at each masthead, a "rainbow" of signal
flags and pennants arrayed from stem to stern, strung from the base of
the jackstaff over the masts and then down to the base of the flagstaff.
Ships that have no masts or an unsual mast configuration do the best they
can to approximate the same effect. In the days of sail, a ship full-dressed
by hanging every bit of bunting in its flag locker between the bowsprit
and the mastheads, and down the shrouds and signal halyards (see the Sea
Flags banner at the top of this page). This display usually included foreign
ensigns, jacks, and admirals flags--everything the ship had on board. Nowadays,
only signal flags are used, and the sequence in which they are displayed
is precisely prescribed by directive--in the case of the U.S. Navy by NTP-13(B),
Flags,
Pennants and Customs. This guarantees a uniform appearance and ensures
that no offensive or inappropriate messages are inadvertently (or mischievously)
embedded in the display.


Pat Nevitt
Patriot
C&C 29 MKII
Galesville, MD


On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Indigo <ind...@thethomsons.us> wrote:















Edd, I believe that you are correct in
saying that the use of code flags to dress ship is just a celebration. However,
I caution that a ?random? arrangement could be dangerous ?
after all each flag represents a letter or number and you could end up spelling
out something unintentionally!!  Our Club (which I believe got its flag
etiquette from New York Yacht Club) recommends a specific sequence.



As far as burgees are concerned, the
skipper should fly the burgee of primary allegiance, or if a member of several
clubs, the burgee of the club whose home waters he is in. (At PYC we are very
traditional (some say ?stuck up?!!) and fly our burgees at the
masthead on pig-sticks (I think they got that name ?cos they are a pig to
get up and down!) USPS says you should not fly more than one burgee at a time.



Jonathan

Indigo ? 35MKIII

Southport (soon to be on the hard in Milford)















From:
cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf 
Of Edd Schillay


Sent: Wednesday, September 26,
2012 10:54 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystic
Rendezvous Photos





Danny,









            Glad
to hear you like the graphics!











            As
I understand it, the random letter code flags is just a celebration of all
things nautical. On the Enterprise, we flew the American Flag (always on top),
the Morris Yacht and Beach Club burgee (my club,) the Fleet Captain flag (I am
the FC at MYBC) and a C&C burgee which I purchased from Stu.











            But
don't worry. I often say "I don't know" to my wife too.





















                All the best,












                Edd


















                Edd M. Schillay






                Starship Enterprise






                C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B






                City Island, NY








                Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
Website























On Sep 26, 2012, at 10:33 AM, djhaug...@juno.com
wrote:











wow, great photos...I'm feeling quite disappointed for not having gone.
 I did get to go sailing on Sunday so I was there in spirit.
 Given all the issues I had to contend with I just couldn't plan on
anything.  Next year...!











I love the Graphics on Enterprise!











There are some really nice boats that showed up.











I do have a question;  For those of you that fly a bunch of
burgees (if thats the correct term), what is the significance?  My
wife always asks and I always have to say "I don't know."











Danny





Lolita





1973 Viking 33





South Coast, MA







---------- Original Message ----------

From: "Stu" <s...@cncphotoalbum.com>

To: "C&C Email List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>

Subject: Stus-List Mystic Rendezvous Photos

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:43:43 -0400









Rob Gallagher has posted some great photos of the rendezvous at:











https://plus.google.com/photos/111441832096552932716/albums/5792114956547005585/5792114978515809538?authkey=CLWWvti55dyMUQ












Thanx for sharing Rob









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OK

Not a C&C.  But has anyone actually seen one of these?  Amazing boat
from what I can gather...

Mike
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 19:43:10 +0000
From: Wally Bryant <w...@wbryant.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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It's in Chapman's.   When I took off south I did the 'all flags flying'
thing for a week prior.  My harbormaster, a great ex-Navy guy, finally
said he'd been scratching his head trying to figure out what I was
saying.  What else is new.  <VBG>
<http://www.wbryant.com/weblogs/b4_0908/b4_00.jpg>

Wal

Indigo wrote:
> Our
> Club (which I believe got its flag etiquette from New York Yacht Club)
> recommends a specific sequence.




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