The following is an example of what you are talking about - with that auto makers are doing their best to integrate everything from built-in game consoles to GPS systems.
What the f**k is a recursive algorithm doing in the ECU code for the throttle in the Toyota's that just got recalled?!!!! Can anyone tell me why the entertainment system and the assistance system (onstar) have to be on the same CAN bus as the ECU and the fuel system?!!!!!! How the hell do they expect to get these systems debugged reliably? Different application, but same problems have manifest themselves. I think what is happening is that engineers who know better are not able to reign in the marketing people. Corollary: bad shit happens when marketing people get too much power! > I couldn't agree more. In fact I find it kind of amazing that open source > projects do as well as they do with mostly volunteer efforts. I think > where it breaks down is when things become overly complex which is what > the Quinn Norton article points out. Even those trying their best to write > good bug free software find themselves having to interface with lots of > crap thus complicating testing. Complexity becomes a drag on the volunteer > effort and eventually reduces the number of eyes scrutinizing the stuff as > in the OpenSSL case. > > Welcome to the world of 0day attacks. > > Greg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mel Walters" <melwalt...@telus.net> > To: clug-talk@clug.ca > Sent: Thursday, 29 May, 2014 11:27:47 AM > Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Everything is broken > > I found Bob Beck's talk kind of encouraging. Not only because he is > willing to admit things are wrong, BUT because Bob and people like him > are doing something about it. > > Is that not what our community is supposed to be all about? Making > things better, not just complaining? > > Vive le Libressl > http://www.libressl.org/ > > Mel > > On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 13:17 -0600, Greg King wrote: >> There was an op-ed piece in the Calgary Herald recently about how most >> stuff on the internet is held together by gum and bailing twine. The >> op-ed writer was basing his comments on an article by journalist/ >> blogger Quinn Norton so I went and read the original article on a >> website for writers called the Medium. It's an interesting rant on what >> is going on in our connect world today. You can find it here >> https://medium.com/@quinnnorton >> >> After Bob Becks talk about the issues with OpenSSL last night, this will >> not make you feel any better about the rest of the software we use on a >> daily basis (but most of us know some of this already). >> >> Enjoy (or NOT)! >> >> Greg > > > > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > clug-talk@clug.ca > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > clug-talk@clug.ca > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying > _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list clug-talk@clug.ca http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
