Using the threat of a terrorist attack to justify mass surveillance is
pure bunk. Can anyone tell me how listening in on Angela Merkel's
personal phone calls prevented a terrorist attack. It's precisely those
with nothing to hide who need to stand up and fight this infringement on
our personal liberties because those who are hiding of course can not.
And just because the NSA, CSIS etc are spying on us already doesn't mean
we should be okay with it.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/17/merkel-compares-nsa-stasi-obama
chris
On 13-12-19 11:51 PM, Juan Alberto Cirez wrote:
Robert,
I will reply with another quote:
"...every elevation of the type 'man' has hitherto been the work of an
aristocratic society, and so it will always be. A society believing in
a long scale of gradations of ranks of differences of worth among
human beings and requiring slavery in some form or another..."
You assume we live in an egalitarian society; rather than an
aristocratic one. I am very sorry to tell you that what you fear has
already come to pass. That is to say, it always has been...
On 2013-12-19 11:42 PM, "Lewko, Robert" <lew...@uleth.ca
<mailto:lew...@uleth.ca>> wrote:
> I have been reluctant to weigh on this for a while; but I can't
take it any
> more: ARE WE THAT NAÏVE to think that the NSA, CSIS, FSB, CSS, GDE,
MOSSAD... even the Iranian Mukharabat did NOT spy on electronic
> communications? Seriously, how delusional are we? These entity
exists
solely for that purpose.
>
> I personally do not mind, I have nothing to hide and if there is a
chance
> doing so can prevent the next catastrophe from happening, so be it.
This attitude leads to a very treacherous slope!!!
It was Benjamin Franklin who said, "Those who would give up essential
Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither
Liberty
nor Safety" - and I would add will ultimately achieve neither.
Another quote from a great thinker, George Santayana, said, "those who
fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it".
We would do well to study the writings of Jefferson and Madison
and the
rest of the American "Founding Fathers". They have much to say about
today's current events!
Here's what I am alluding to:
Something somewhat more serious than what Terrell brought up is
this: what
if the spying isn't meant for the average person - AT THIS POINT.
What if
the actual target is for anyone who mounts any opposition to the
party in
power (by party I mean the person or group in power not political
parties
as such)? Would the intent then be for the party in power to use
this to
identify the opposition and target them? The surveillance can be then
used to look for something to compromise (black mail) and therefore
silence the opposition.
Tyranny is the result!!!
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