On 10-05-04 06:39 PM, Greg Saunders wrote: > I'm starting a new thread because I didn't want to hijack TekBudda's > original thread re: Query: Mac & Windows Diagnostics Tools. > >> Uh, there is a lot of preventative measures that one can take with Windows > > True: > > 1. run the windoze machine stand alone ... do not connect it to the internet > or
Same goes for a Linux machine. Anything directly connected to the internet requires management. One mistake is all it takes, regardless of the platform. > 2. install zero software on it ... keep to Notepad, Write and > Minesweeper for entertainment, oh yea, don't connect it to the internet > or This is good advice for Linux too. Install only what you need. > 3. format c: ... install Linux Linux can be easily pwned. Just like nearly everyone else these days, it all depends on how you configure it. > >> I am tired of the FUD thrown over the fence by the FLOSS people > > We're the same people that insist that the sun rises in the East every > morning. We call a spade a spade. That is all nice to say, but stop living in 2001. XP is not reflective of the current state of things. I don't care if you like Windows or not. In fact I don't like using it, but we should not be throwing FUD around. > >> Bashing Windows out of ignorance does not get us anywhere and just > makes us look childish. > > Some of us actually bash Windoze because of first hand experience. My > most recent experience (still ongoing) with a client was/is their IT > staff trying to get a new Win 7 machine setup with x64 print drivers > that actually work ... not to mention that there was no way in hell that > they could get another Win 7 machine working with the KVM switch a > certain user was using for flipping between a few desktops in their > office. It goes on and on and on. I have a lot of the same problems with Desktop Linux. I have 4 printers at home, only the oldest one currently works with Linux. Day in and day out I manage hundreds of machines running a variety of operating systems (Windows and Linux make up the two largest groups). They both have their strengths and weaknesses, but the security footprint differences are far smaller than most people realize. > > Or (just a couple of months ago) at another client, where a half dozen > Windoze guys were onsite from a prominent IT services company here in > Calgary trying to stop some worm that was propagating through the > network ... the best they could do was unplug network cables and deal > with each desktop individually. That is pretty much how you should be dealing with a worm infection (assuming that you do not have an IPS that switches infected machines to a different VLAN). It sounds like this guy does not actually know how to respond to security incidents. To be fair, most so-called IT people really know very little about security or proper incident response. We can swap anecdotal stories all night and not get anywhere. > > Oddly, all these guys were in my age bracket (35ish, 40ish) but I was > the only one who had any hair left. No word of a lie. And I can tell you > I did not make any friends with these "make work b*st*rds" when I > pointed that out: > I still have hair at 34, what is the point? > "Hi guys, I guess Linux = hair", that did not go over well. I thought it > was funny at the time ... couldn't contain myself :) > > Yea, I got the same "You FLOSS zealot b*st*rd" thrown at me that Gustin > tossed out earlier ... but ... whatever. Actually I never did say that. > > Look, I understand that Windows is a reality (in North America anyway). > Keep the install base small ... sure ... makes wipe and reloads easier > ... images smaller. > > Windows is a make work project, plain and simple. Any advocate for such > substandard technology either punches a clock for a living or hasn't > figured out (or doesn't want to figure out) how to survive in the > OSS/FLOSS world. My experiences are different. > > Greg's "windows preventative measure" is "don't waste your time". No, that is FUD plain and simple. > > That's not being "childish" ... it's how I've kept my sanity and > supported a wife and four kids for the last 10 years. Stick that in your > "there is a lot of preventative measures that one can take with Windows" > pipe and smoke it. > > Hey ... this might come across a little harsh (zealotish), oh well, > smile, I am. > I am a FLOSS advocate and user. In fact I reach for FLOSS solutions first if that is an option. This is one of the rare times that I am on this side of the fence for this argument. I have to say it feels a little weird.
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