-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Richard Carter wrote: > Thanks for your reply Shawn.� I'll try your suggestions but I'm not sure > I can adjust to "modern approaches".� > Change is inevitable, in all aspects of life as far as I can see.
Anyway, with KDE 4.4 I found that I like Dolphin after all. It seems that Konqueror was designed to be a browser and the file management tasks were bolted on. I initially was annoyed but after having used 4.4 for a month now, I can appreciate where the project is heading and I actually like these design decisions (these _were_ design decisions based on HMI research and workflow analysis). While I will say that 4.4 is still not 100% of the way to replacing 3.5.x, for me it is 90% of the way there (and in many ways I like 4.4 better than the 3.x line). I can add icons, even to gtk apps (in fact I have the gnome-appearance-properties icon on my panel), forward and back works for me in Dolphin and Konqueror. I am using the KDE PPA on Ubuntu 9.10 on my main laptop, and the default KDE on my old laptop (currently running the Lucid aka 10.04 beta). I am very happy, in fact I have now switched back from Gnome. One thing I will say, if you want to use KDE and Ubuntu, do *not* use Kubuntu aka the KDE that ships with Ubuntu. Ubuntu and their rigid release schedule and unwillingness to update a release once it is done does not fit well with the current state of KDE 4. My suggestion is to either build it yourself, find a PPA of the version that you like (there are PPAs for 3.5.x and for 4.x), or switch to a distribution that is a better fit with KDE. Good bad or indifferent, it simply is what it is. > Robin > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Shawn <sgro...@open2space.com > <mailto:sgro...@open2space.com>> wrote: > > I respectfully need to disagree with your assessment of KDE 4.3+. > �It would seem you are expecting the "old" way of doing things in a > new system. �If you prefer the old way, KDE 3.5 is still available > and supported. �KDE 4.x was a conscious departure from those old > ways (at a code level) to facilitate modern approaches and pave the > way for easier, more focused usage while still keeping the > flexibility. �I think they have succeeded, but it does mean some of > the old apps are no longer the best tool to be using in a KDE 4.x > environment. > > The specific issues you mentioned are mostly addressed via > applications other than Konqeror. �Dolphin for file management, and > Gwenview for the image viewer. �Take a look at the various options > for both and you'll find everything you are looking for, I think. > �Regarding the task bar, it is not intended to be an application > launcher, but you can make it do that if you want (add a folder view > icon, and put your shortcut icons in that folder...) > > KDE is not on a 6 month release cycle like Ubuntu is. �So there is a > disconnect between what version gets included with the more recent > *buntu. �Not to mention that Kubuntu seems to be the unwanted > step-child of Ubuntu, and does not get the attention it should. �But > that is still not a KDE issue. > > (all said in a discussion tone. �I do respect your opinion and views.) > > Shawn > > > Richard Carter wrote: > > In my somewhat limited experience the choice between kde and > gnome depends entirely on the version of kde. �A long time ago I > settled on kde mostly because konqueror was a great file > manager. �I also found the task bar easy to manage.That's still > the case for konqueror ver 3.5.9 with kde ver 3.5.10 running on > my debian desk top. > But I find kde ver 4.4 on my kubuntu lap top to be quite poor. > �Konqueror has been emasculated. �It's difficult to move/copy > blocks of files, there is no longer an image view, the forward > and back arrows don't work and there is no longer a "settings" > menu. The task bar is also much less useful with kde 4.4: �it's > not possible to add icons, especially for non-kde applications > > Perhaps the practise of bringing out a new version of kubuntu > every six months is a mistake. > > Robin Carter > > > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > clug-talk@clug.ca <mailto:clug-talk@clug.ca> > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > clug-talk@clug.ca > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkurnSMACgkQwRXgH3rKGfNBcACePiRXA3ipBNCNXQtbYWU/ci7V mL0AoIE7wYbr60QghjcEgjoYhZb5C6I/ =JGKQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list clug-talk@clug.ca http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
