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> Behalf Of Niels Voll
> Subject: [clug-talk] [in preparation for AGM] term limits?

>>>a) is the concept of term limits fundamentally a good idea or  a bad idea  
>>>(for clug)?

I will concur with Jarrod's statement as I assisted the original Executive in 
drafting the original bylaws.  It was felt that in a lot of cases organizations 
tend to have life cycles and at any point in their history you can see when a 
membership ebbs and flows with the times.  The number required for the 
Executive (3 min) and for a quorum (7) at an AGM were set very low on the idea 
that it was possible that CLUG may eventually come to the sunset hours of its 
lifecycle and only have 10 members before it rises from the ashes again. 

My own opinion on this is that a Presidency could/should actually be a 
_minimum_ of two years.  I see things opposite of the way you are presenting 
them.  I believe as in most 'jobs'  your vision and your ideas for your own 
stamp on the position may (and probably should) take more that a year.  

So a question might be -- Should you choose to be involved with the executive 
for 2 or 3 terms to evolve your vision (with input for your other Exec and the 
members) to do the best for the group OR should you spend a year changing 
things to your vision and ideas and then abruptly leave the Executive and the 
members without a follow through.  Hmmm... I think that may have a way of 
confusing and fracturing the membership.


>>> Therefore I was wondering, if we should adopt the concept of  term limits  
>>> for at least some board positions. For example, what if we would basically 
>>> say, that the presidency should rotate on an annual basis? There's really 
>>> an implied second year (and therefore some continuity) due to the concept 
>>> of the "Past President" being part of the executive  board in the current 
>>> setup.

The idea of Past President was a position appointed by the Elected Executive.  
It has not been used in the last two terms.  In the 2003 term Jeff was 
appointed as Communications Coordinator as we felt that title was more telling 
of his actually duties and then in 2004 Jason Louie was appointed as CC.  

Your idea that the President retires to become an appointed position (or 
required by bylaw) on a board where a new President has been elected may not 
(IMO) serve the needs of the Executive Board or the group as a whole.

The way I envision that (worst case scenario as always :) is that the newly 
transplanted Past President had not had enough time to fulfill his 
vision/agenda for the group in his 1 year term.  Now a new President is elected 
who has entirely different visions and agenda and proceeds to negate and alter 
everything done by the Past President during his/her term.  This may not 
facilitate workable, reasonable and productive Executive meetings and the board 
and the group could suffer.

That is just my 2 cents.

I will say however, that in having knowledge of or being a member of the 
Executive of CLUG for 3 years now, during those 3 terms the Exec has gone out 
of its was to be polite and respectful and reasonable with each other, the 
result is a good working board that can get things done.  I have been involved 
with and witnessed other boards whose members are not reasonable nor can they 
work together because their ideas are so polar.  It is that kind of Board that 
will tear a group apart.  (The Calgary Catholic Board comes to mind)

Cheers.
Kari 

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