I wrote the next example to trace the inner workings of transducer. I hope that this will help.
The next filter-t(transducer), map-t(transducer) and conj-t(reducer) functions are excerpted from the filter, map and conj from clojure.core and then simplified and modified to focus on the understanding of the inner workings. (defn filter-t [pred] ;; The first fn is a transducer. It receives the reducer rf and returns ;; the reducer(the second fn part of this code). (fn [rf] (fn ([] (let [r (rf)] (println "filter-t [] post: result =" r) r)) ([result] (println "filter-t [result] pre: result =" result) (let [r (rf result)] (println "filter-t [result] post: result =" r) r)) ([result input] (println "filter-t [result input] pre: result =" result ", input =" input) (let [r (if (pred input) (rf result input) result)] (println "filter-t [result input] post: result =" r) r))))) (defn map-t [f] (fn [rf] (fn ([] (let [r (rf)] (println "map-t [] post: result =" r) r)) ([result] (println "map-t [result] pre: result =" result) (let [r (rf result)] (println "map-t [result] post: result =" r) r)) ([result input] (println "map-t [result input] pre: result =" result ", input =" input) (let [r (rf result (f input))] (println "map-t [result input] post: result =" r) r))))) (defn ^:static conj-t [] ;; This is a reducer itself, not a transducer, because it doesn't receive the reducer ;; and return a reducer as a transducer. (fn ([] (println "conj-t []: result =" []) []) ([result] (println "conj-t [result]: result =" result) result) ([result input] (println "conj-t [result input] pre: result =" result ", input =" input) (let [r (. clojure.lang.RT (conj result input))] (println "conj-t [result input] post: retrun =" r) r) ))) The oupput is edited to facilitate the understandings. (def xform (comp (filter-t odd?) (map-t #(* % 10)))) (transduce xform (conj-t) [1 2 3 4 5]) ;>> conj-t []: result = [] ; ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = [] , input = 1 ; map-t [result input] pre: result = [] , input = 1 ; conj-t [result input] pre: result = [] , input = 10 ; conj-t [result input] post: retrun = [10] ; map-t [result input] post: result = [10] ; filter-t [result input] post: result = [10] ; ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = [10] , input = 2 ; filter-t [result input] post: result = [10] ; ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = [10] , input = 3 ; map-t [result input] pre: result = [10] , input = 3 ; conj-t [result input] pre: result = [10] , input = 30 ; conj-t [result input] post: retrun = [10 30] ; map-t [result input] post: result = [10 30] ; filter-t [result input] post: result = [10 30] ; ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = [10 30] , input = 4 ; filter-t [result input] post: result = [10 30] ; ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = [10 30] , input = 5 ; map-t [result input] pre: result = [10 30] , input = 5 ; conj-t [result input] pre: result = [10 30] , input = 50 ; conj-t [result input] post: retrun = [10 30 50] ; map-t [result input] post: result = [10 30 50] ; filter-t [result input] post: result = [10 30 50] ; ; filter-t [result] pre: result = [10 30 50] ; map-t [result] pre: result = [10 30 50] ; conj-t [result]: result = [10 30 50] ; map-t [result] post: result = [10 30 50] ; filter-t [result] post: result = [10 30 50] ;=> [10 30 50] >From the above output, my conclusion is that the init part(with no argument) of reducer is called only in the last reducer(conj-t in this case) and never called in the reducers within the transducers(filter-t and map-t). If you give the init value to the transduce function as follows, (transduce xform (conj-t) [] [1 2 3 4 5]) ;>> filter-t [result input] pre: result = [] , input = 1 ; map-t [result input] pre: result = [] , input = 1 ; conj-t [result input] pre: result = [] , input = 10 ; conj-t [result input] post: retrun = [10] ; map-t [result input] post: result = [10] ; filter-t [result input] post: result = [10] ; ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = [10] , input = 2 ; filter-t [result input] post: result = [10] ; ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = [10] , input = 3 ; map-t [result input] pre: result = [10] , input = 3 ; conj-t [result input] pre: result = [10] , input = 30 ; conj-t [result input] post: retrun = [10 30] ; map-t [result input] post: result = [10 30] ; filter-t [result input] post: result = [10 30] ; ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = [10 30] , input = 4 ; filter-t [result input] post: result = [10 30] ; ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = [10 30] , input = 5 ; map-t [result input] pre: result = [10 30] , input = 5 ; conj-t [result input] pre: result = [10 30] , input = 50 ; conj-t [result input] post: retrun = [10 30 50] ; map-t [result input] post: result = [10 30 50] ; filter-t [result input] post: result = [10 30 50] ; ; filter-t [result] pre: result = [10 30 50] ; map-t [result] pre: result = [10 30 50] ; conj-t [result]: result = [10 30 50] ; map-t [result] post: result = [10 30 50] ; filter-t [result] post: result = [10 30 50] ;=> [10 30 50] even the init part(with no argument) of reducer(conj-t in this case) is not called as above. Wiithin into and sequence functions, the init part(with no argument) of reducer are never called as follows. (into () xform [1 2 3 4 5]) ;>> filter-t [result input] pre: result = () , input = 1 ; map-t [result input] pre: result = () , input = 1 ; map-t [result input] post: result = (10) ; filter-t [result input] post: result = (10) ; ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = (10) , input = 2 ; filter-t [result input] post: result = (10) ; ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = (10) , input = 3 ; map-t [result input] pre: result = (10) , input = 3 ; map-t [result input] post: result = (30 10) ; filter-t [result input] post: result = (30 10) ; ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = (30 10) , input = 4 ; filter-t [result input] post: result = (30 10) ; ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = (30 10) , input = 5 ; map-t [result input] pre: result = (30 10) , input = 5 ; map-t [result input] post: result = (50 30 10) ; filter-t [result input] post: result = (50 30 10) ; ; filter-t [result] pre: result = (50 30 10) ; map-t [result] pre: result = (50 30 10) ; map-t [result] post: result = (50 30 10) ; filter-t [result] post: result = (50 30 10) ;=> (50 30 10) (sequence xform [1 2 3 4 5]) ;>> filter-t [result input] pre: result = nil , input = 1 ; map-t [result input] pre: result = nil , input = 1 ; map-t [result input] post: result = nil ; filter-t [result input] post: result = nil ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = nil , input = 2 ; filter-t [result input] post: result = nil ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = nil , input = 3 ; map-t [result input] pre: result = nil , input = 3 ; map-t [result input] post: result = nil ; filter-t [result input] post: result = nil ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = nil , input = 4 ; filter-t [result input] post: result = nil ; filter-t [result input] pre: result = nil , input = 5 ; map-t [result input] pre: result = nil , input = 5 ; map-t [result input] post: result = nil ; filter-t [result input] post: result = nil ; filter-t [result] pre: result = nil ; map-t [result] pre: result = nil ; map-t [result] post: result = nil ; filter-t [result] post: result = nil ;=> (10 30 50) However, I don't understand the last output in which every 'result' prints nil. 2016년 3월 10일 목요일 오전 10시 15분 43초 UTC+9, Sean Corfield 님의 말: > > Can we at least get an example of situation where the zero-arity version > would be called? > > > > Right now it seems that all the transducer literature out there says there > must be three arities – and that’s how map etc are defined – but it doesn’t > seem, based on various people’s simple tests, that the zero-arity version > is ever called… so why would we define it? > > > > Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN > An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ > > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." > -- Margaret Atwood > > > > *From: *Clojure Mailing List <clo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> on > behalf of Stephen Nelson <ste...@montoux.com <javascript:>> > *Reply-To: *Clojure Mailing List <clo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> > *Date: *Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 12:23 PM > *To: *Clojure Mailing List <clo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> > *Subject: *Re: Understanding init (the zero arity function) for > transducers. > > > > This was discussed further in http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/CLJ-1569 > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:43 PM Patrick Curran <patrick...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > > Thanks Alex, > > If you ever do get a chance, I'd be curious to know what it was. The more > I think about it the more I think Dan is correct. Also "scan" seems like a > natural thing that one should be able to do without having to jump through > hoops. > > > > On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 5:10:53 PM UTC-5, Alex Miller wrote: > > I think that Rich had an objection to this, however in the haziness of > time I don't recall specifically what it was. If I get a chance, I will ask > him this week. > > On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 3:27:15 PM UTC-6, Patrick Curran wrote: > > Hi, > > I was trying to write a transducer and the 0-arity part of it never got > called, which was unexpected. I did some searching and found this post: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/clojure/uVKP4_0KMwQ/-oUJahvUarIJ. > What Dan is proposing in that post would essentially solve my problem, but > it doesn't look like his proposal has gotten much traction... > > Specifically I was trying to implement scan > <http://reactivex.io/documentation/operators/scan.html>. > > (defn scan > ([f] (scan f (f))) > ([f init] > (fn [xf] > (let [state (volatile! init)] > (fn > ([] (xf (xf) init)) > ([result] (xf result)) > ([result input] > (let [next-state (f @state input)] > (vreset! state next-state) > (xf result next-state)))))))) > > > Which results in the following: > > (require '[clojure.core.reducers :as r]) > (r/reduce ((scan + 3) conj) [1 2 3]) > => [3 4 6 9] > (transduce (scan + 3) conj [1 2 3]) > => [4 6 9] > (transduce (scan + 3) conj (((scan + 3) conj)) [1 2 3]) > => [3 4 6 9] > > My expectation would be that we'd always get the 3 at the front of the > vector. > > I'm actually using core.async and I'm expecting that the initial value be > available to be taken from the channel. > > (require '[clojure.core.async :as a :include-macros true]) > (def c (a/chan 1 (scan + 3))) > (a/go (println (a/<! c))) > ; expecting 3 to immediately be printed. > (a/>!! c 1) > => 4 > > So this is more of a conceptual thing rather than just how transduce is > implemented. > > I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on this. I'm quite new, but Dan's > proposal definitely feels "correct" and the current implementation > definitely feels "wrong". > > --Patrick > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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