Thanks Alex,

If you ever do get a chance, I'd be curious to know what it was. The more I 
think about it the more I think Dan is correct. Also "scan" seems like a 
natural thing that one should be able to do without having to jump through 
hoops.

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 5:10:53 PM UTC-5, Alex Miller wrote:
>
> I think that Rich had an objection to this, however in the haziness of 
> time I don't recall specifically what it was. If I get a chance, I will ask 
> him this week.
>
> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 3:27:15 PM UTC-6, Patrick Curran wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was trying to write a transducer and the 0-arity part of it never got 
>> called, which was unexpected. I did some searching and found this post: 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/clojure/uVKP4_0KMwQ/-oUJahvUarIJ. 
>> What Dan is proposing in that post would essentially solve my problem, but 
>> it doesn't look like his proposal has gotten much traction...
>>
>> Specifically I was trying to implement scan 
>> <http://reactivex.io/documentation/operators/scan.html>.
>>
>> (defn scan
>>   ([f] (scan f (f)))
>>   ([f init]
>>    (fn [xf]
>>      (let [state (volatile! init)]
>>        (fn
>>          ([] (xf (xf) init))
>>          ([result] (xf result))
>>          ([result input]
>>           (let [next-state (f @state input)]
>>             (vreset! state next-state)
>>             (xf result next-state))))))))
>>
>> Which results in the following:
>> (require '[clojure.core.reducers :as r])
>> (r/reduce ((scan + 3) conj) [1 2 3])
>> => [3 4 6 9]
>> (transduce (scan + 3) conj [1 2 3])
>> => [4 6 9]
>> (transduce (scan + 3) conj (((scan + 3) conj)) [1 2 3])
>> => [3 4 6 9]
>>
>> My expectation would be that we'd always get the 3 at the front of the 
>> vector.
>>
>> I'm actually using core.async and I'm expecting that the initial value be 
>> available to be taken from the channel.
>> (require '[clojure.core.async :as a :include-macros true])
>> (def c (a/chan 1 (scan + 3)))
>> (a/go (println (a/<! c)))
>> ; expecting 3 to immediately be printed.
>> (a/>!! c 1)
>> => 4
>>
>> So this is more of a conceptual thing rather than just how transduce is 
>> implemented.
>>
>> I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on this. I'm quite new, but 
>> Dan's proposal definitely feels "correct" and the current implementation 
>> definitely feels "wrong".
>>
>> --Patrick
>>
>>
>>

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