Hi Erlis,
Not considering myself a seasoned developer, still I stream from time to
time on: https://www.livecoding.tv/sveri/
I am always happy to talk about things and explain everything to my best
knowledge.
Best Regards,
Sven
Am Dienstag, 6. Oktober 2015 16:18:00 UTC+2 schrieb Erlis Vidal:
>
> I think it will be very helpful to the Clojure community to have something
> done with Videos (screencasts) ... Clojure University? somewhere we can see
> how the more seasoned developers work. At least I won't have to discover by
> myself, I can copy the best guys..
>
> I'll like to read whatever you write.
>
> Keep the good work.
> Erlis
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Miguel Ping <migue...@gmail.com
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys!
>>
>> For me the ideal flow would be something that would allow me to save an
>> incoming http req (I do mostly web dev) onto some variable/def, and replay
>> it against some code I'm writing in the repl.
>> Also I like to use step debuggers when I'm new to the language or lib, it
>> allows me to go down the rabbit hole and see how things work. Sometimes you
>> find some surprises!
>>
>> I think documentation on this is something that's missing on the clj
>> community, because everyone does things a little different, but it makes it
>> hard for beginners to get the gist of it.
>> I know some people that don't even have auto-reload on lein/ring and end
>> up stopping/starting the jvm which is crazy because it takes a while.
>>
>> I may write something up, I would appreciate if you guys had any more
>> suggestions, including suggestions about where to put this info.
>>
>> This is what I think it's standard practice:
>>
>> - ideally you don't restart jvm
>> - on ring, use hot-reload/auto-reload
>> - app can be started from repl
>> - ide can eval clj expressions (send it to repl)
>> - people code small bits on ide, eval it, loop on this until its working
>> - can do this for tests also
>> - basically the whole idea is to have components built upon functional
>> style that can be started and invoked from the repl at any layer depth
>>
>> - As for debuggers, I know some people other than Sean that dont use step
>> debuggers at all (specially oldschool ppl), but I think its helpful for
>> newbies
>>
>>
>> I will keep you guys updated if I ever write something. First have to
>> learn it ;)
>>
>> On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 8:07:32 PM UTC+1, Sean Corfield wrote:
>>>
>>> Miguel Ping wrote on Monday, October 5, 2015 at 3:00 AM:
>>>
>>> - do you code functions in the repl and copy them to respective files?
>>>
>>>
>>> I use Emacs/CIDER and code functions in a file, then use C-M-x to
>>> evaluate each one into the running REPL. I usually keep the REPL in the
>>> user namespace and require in the namespace I’m working on (C-c C-z to jump
>>> to the REPL as needed) and then type in expressions to test functions as I
>>> go. Later I’ll take a transcript of parts of the REPL and add them to my
>>> unit test namespace — usually just copy’n’paste, followed by some minor
>>> edits to turn them into Expectations format: (expect {expected} {actual})
>>> which means using C-M-t to swap REPL output which has:
>>>
>>> user> (some test expression)
>>> {the actual output}
>>>
>>> =>
>>>
>>> (expect {the actual output}
>>> (some test expression))
>>>
>>> Put the cursor after the prompt: user>| then M-delete, type (expect) and
>>> slurp twice M-) then forward one s-exp C-M-f and swap C-M-t
>>>
>>> - do you edit files directly and hook them into the repl?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, but I don’t save them every time since I can use C-M-x to evaluate
>>> the current form as I type.
>>>
>>> - how do you set breakpoints?
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t bother. I’ve never liked step debuggers in any language in my
>>> 30+ years of development :(
>>>
>>> - can you do hot-replacement easily? I always see a bunch of stack
>>> traces while using lein and ring with reload flags
>>>
>>>
>>> If I want to hot-swap into a running process, I just start a REPL server
>>> inside the process and connect CIDER to that, instead of starting a
>>> standalone REPL in Emacs. I tend to use standalone REPLs only for running
>>> Expectations anyway (where I use a slightly different workflow and keep the
>>> REPL in the same namespace as the Expectations file (C-c M-n to swap REPL
>>> namespaces).
>>>
>>> - is there an article or screencast explaining the "feel" of this?
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t know, sorry.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
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