On 03/05/2015 00:39, James Reeves wrote:
I agree that web development in Clojure can be improved, but I don't see
why it follows that we should be writing web frameworks.
Luminus is a web framework. We don't have to write web frameworks at
all, that's true. Neither did the Ruby community. They had Sinatra
before Rails but it was Rails which brought them huge mindshare and,
more importantly, plenty of developers earning a good living. All I'm
saying is there's room for both approaches but the outside world, where
people make a living, tends to prefer web frameworks. Clojure needs
something like Scala's Play/Reactive framework which has a bit of
industry momentum behind it. It's been 5 years since Clojure 1.0 so the
excuse that Clojure is still finding its feet is no longer valid.
Why is it that Elixir, with a much smaller community and lifespan
than Clojure's, has managed to put 4 times as much mindshare into
its main web framework when its module output, as measured by
modulecounts.com <http://modulecounts.com/>, is a tiny fraction of
Clojure's?
By what measurement are you drawing this conclusion?
You've listed contributors and commits for single repositories, but that
will clearly produce erroneous results when comparing a monolithic
project to a very modular one.
Elixir's Phoenix is as modular as Luminus so the comparison is valid.
The 2 leading Rails developers behind it - Jose Valim and Chris McCord -
recognised before Elixir reached 1.0 that a strong web framework was
essential to gaining mindshare.
gvim
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