Great points from everyone about the lack of diversity in the Clojure world and the need to track improvement on that. I like the idea of finding a tangible thing that we can measure. Collecting demographic information in the annual survey is an interesting idea, and I think we should take it under consideration for next year. There are aspects of that I would want to think through first.
A metric I would love to know and have no idea how to obtain is the number of women, number of people of color, number of Latinos, etc. employed writing Clojure. And while none of these numbers are currently good, I am fairly certain they are improving. By informal measures - such as the number of women attending Clojure conferences - things are significantly improving over the last year or two, although certainly not enough. There are definitely women and people of color using Clojure, and I would like for them to be visible. I just ran through who I follow on Twitter, and I counted 13 women (including me) who get paid to write Clojure. So we are out there. Bridget On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:50:37 AM UTC-4, Rick Moynihan wrote: > > On 13 October 2014 22:05, Alex Miller <al...@puredanger.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > > I do not need a poll to see that Clojure developers are predominantly > white > > men, although that's also true of most programming languages and a > > consequence of larger pervasive issues in the industry. However, I think > the > > Clojure community has been making progress on increasing diversity > through > > efforts like ClojureBridge http://www.clojurebridge.org/ and the > > Clojure/conj opportunity grants http://clojure-conj.org/grants/. > > You might not need a poll to see that the community lacks diversity, > but you might need a poll to see if the community is improving its > diversity or not. Without measuring things we just don't know. > > I don't think it's for me to say whether this is best done in the > clojure annual survey or not; but it seems we should measure this > metric if we care about improving it. > > R. > > > You might also find this project's data interesting: > > http://alyssafrazee.com/gender-and-github-code.html > > > > I would humbly submit that you should choose your language based on the > best > > tool for the job and then work to hire, train, and improve diversity of > the > > community regardless of what that tool may be. > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > On Monday, October 13, 2014 1:50:13 PM UTC-5, Zack Maril wrote: > >> > >> Next year, I would appreciate questions that measure the demographics > of > >> Clojure users be included. Out of the hundreds of people I've heard and > seen > >> talking about using Clojure, the vast majority of them have been white > men. > >> I've thought about it for a few days now and I can only think of three > or > >> four women who I know use Clojure and only a few non white men. I'd > like to > >> know if selecting Clojure as my default/main programming language means > that > >> I'll be forced to select from a fairly homogeneous group of potential > >> coworkers and miss out on the benefits of a diverse working > environment. > >> -Zack > >> > >> > >> On Friday, October 10, 2014 5:27:50 PM UTC-5, Jony Hudson wrote: > >>> > >>> If this is the unofficial survey post of academics using Clojure then > I'd > >>> better add myself to the list :-) > >>> > >>> @Bruce do you know what course they're going to be teaching Clojure on > at > >>> Birkbeck? > >>> > >>> > >>> Jony > >>> > >>> > >>> On Friday, 10 October 2014 08:08:28 UTC+1, Bruce Durling wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I also know that Birkbeck College University of London is going to be > >>>> teaching Clojure this year. > >>>> > >>>> On Oct 10, 2014 12:01 AM, "Lee Spector" <lspe...@hampshire.edu> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> FWIW I'm another person using Clojure mostly for academic research. > And > >>>>> for computer science education, e.g. I'm currently teaching a > Clojure-based > >>>>> AI course. I'd be curious to know how many others of us are out > there. And > >>>>> BTW I think that attention to users in these categories could help > to grow > >>>>> the community. > >>>>> > >>>>> -Lee > >>>>> > >>>>> On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:32 AM, Mars0i <mars...@logical.net> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks for the survey! > >>>>> > > >>>>> > I have a couple of suggestions/questions: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > For domains, there are no categories for scientific or other > research > >>>>> > applications. For example, I mainly use Clojure for writing > agent-based > >>>>> > models for academic research. 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