You can define vars to be private to a namespace in clojure, thus 
preventing (1). In practice, I've found that (2) never comes up. 
Ultimately, you won't truly appreciate what is being said in this 
conversation without giving it a chance and trying it out. 

On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:02:49 PM UTC-5, Massimiliano Tomassoli 
wrote:
>
> On Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:18:06 PM UTC+1, Luc wrote:
>>
>> Now you could create un mutable 
>> objects but then why bother 
>> creating classes with hidden 
>> behaviours if there is no hidden 
>> state ? 
>>
>
> The state is still hidden. Even if the state is immutable:
> 1) other code could access it and, thus, changing the inner working of 
> your class would break that code;
> 2) other code could create a new instance of your class with inconsistent 
> internal state.
> As you can see, immutability is totally orthogonal to object orientation. 
> Encapsulation is still useful, as are inheritance and polymorphism.
>

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